Terror warning, keep your eyes out...

[atrdriver]

If you do a search on this guy, he is the same one who wrote the flamebait on "ASA TO FURLOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You sound convincing in your narative, but your previous flamebait makes me think twice. By the way, I just got finished watching "Inside 911" On the National Geographic channel. It's very disturbing with no more info on the attacks, but more recordings from firefighters and police. Give us a flight number and a date!

I have verified that this did indeed happen, the date was yesterday, and for obvious reasons I am not going to list the flight number. Anyone that works for ASA can look it up in the morning reports. You can disbelieve it all you want, but this is the kind of thing that we all need to be looking for, on a daily basis. And this was an RJ, NOT a 767.

 

[pookie]

I will keep my eyes out for any middle easterner, indonesian, pakistani, indian, somalian, american muslim, black muslim, asian muslim, mexican muslim who have been in this country for under twenty years.

On a serious note, do you guys or gals tell the Flight attendant on your crew briefings what to look for?

 

[NYCPilot]

With all this talk of male passengers of middle eastern descent, how would you, the airlines or flying public feel about a middle eastern pilot flying for a U.S. carrier. I've come across CFI's aspiring to be such, who were nice folks. Just wondering if they might have some difficulty attaining a flightdeck position because of thier appearance. Any experiences or stories you might care to share.

 

[pookie]

NYC Pilot,

You can not discriminate against an individual based on race, sex, gender, sexual orientation,..etc. I know of many middle easterner pilots who work for the same company as i do and they dont seem to have any problems. They are all US citizens and thus have the same rights as you and I in attaining a living.

 

[pookie]

On a serious note, do you guys or gals tell the Flight attendant on your crew briefings what to look for?

Just a yes or no will do. The capts that i have flown with dont ever mention anything..,,,,just curious.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I haven't had a captain tell the FA what to look for.

 

[NYCPilot]

NYC Pilot,

You can not discriminate against an individual based on race, sex, gender, sexual orientation,..etc. I know of many middle easterner pilots who work for the same company as i do and they dont seem to have any problems. They are all US citizens and thus have the same rights as you and I in attaining a living.

Of course I am familiar with these statutes. I am neither insinuating nor suggesting that it should or does. As an open-minded and educated person living in New York City, I have befriended persons of many diverse cultures, etc. and recognize all of what you say. As I originally stated, the instructors I have come to know who were of mid-east descent were good people with the same aspiratiuons as everyone else here. Although it is against the law to discriminate, it does occur. I am merely asking whether any of you have encountered or witnessed bias treatment due to someone of middle eastern origin in particular.

As for the original post and the general sentiment here, it would seem that people of this origin are being prejudiced against. Post 9/11, many Seiks who are quite different from any Muslims were harshly treated and many times beat up in senseless acts of violence. Pure ignorance prevailed at this moment where people rushed to judge.

 

[flying4food]

Isn't it funny how we pick and choose which words offend us?

I mean no one's pissed that Chevy's (the restaurant) logo includes the phrase "Fresh Mex".

But imagine the uproar at something like "Benihana, Fresh Jap" or "Panda Express, Fresh Chink"

Now that is funny stuff!!! You're killing me over here, I fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard!!!!!!!

 

[Sig]

NYC Pilot,

You can not discriminate against an individual based on race, sex, gender, sexual orientation,..etc.

Like he!! you can't. Rephrase your "discriminate" to read "raise founded suspicion." Pretty well-developed profile of the terrorists that slammed innocent US CITIZENS into buildings and the ground. Say it with me: Sah Ood Ee. Argue your ACLU claptrap to one widow of the NYFD, junior.

I couldn't give less of a danm about the plight of US pilots with Mid-East pedigree; you ever hear about the Palestinian student-jokesters that were flying into the DFW Bravo and asked the SE sector approach controller, "Which bulding is the tallest?" Glad they got sent home. I'd be as nervous as a whore in church if I was here as a pilot, spoke Farsi, and called the oil fields "home," and I'd expect to get swatted in the nose if I complained one bit... regardless of my rights to attain a living. Guess what: They were all here under the pretense of training to exercise their rights to attaining a living that you and I do. North of 3,000 people were quietly exercising their rights to attaining a living almost 4 years ago, and I'll be danmed if a relative one of them would really shed a tear if a little "founded suspicion" hurt a citizen's feelings.

F the terrorists and f anybody that doesn't take this seriously. The issue is NOT liberals vs. conservatives (as stupefyingly stupid an argument that you can get into right now), it is NOT the protection of citizen's rights (Whoops! They can be terrorists, too!), it is NOT time for another Kum By Yah hugfest; it is time to NOT get complacent when jackholes are possibly looking for us to be so.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

With all this talk of male passengers of middle eastern descent, how would you, the airlines or flying public feel about a middle eastern pilot flying for a U.S. carrier. I've come across CFI's aspiring to be such, who were nice folks. Just wondering if they might have some difficulty attaining a flightdeck position because of thier appearance. Any experiences or stories you might care to share.

I ran across a CFI a couple of years ago that was in FLA flight school at the time of the attacks. He gleefully relayed a story to me about how he and his buddy, also of middle eastern decent had fun with the local TV stations following the attacks and how they interviewed with several reporters and used different names every time and that sort of thing. He brought that same attitude with him at his current job. I was a 121 furloughed corporate driver at the time. After his story I asked him why he would do something like that considering the world climate. He said because it was fun!

I think he gave up on flying, couldn't find a job, but I do not think it was because of his appearance.

There is having "fun" and there is being stupid.........I think he fell in the stupid catagory.

 

[atrdriver]

With all this talk of male passengers of middle eastern descent, how would you, the airlines or flying public feel about a middle eastern pilot flying for a U.S. carrier. I've come across CFI's aspiring to be such, who were nice folks. Just wondering if they might have some difficulty attaining a flightdeck position because of thier appearance. Any experiences or stories you might care to share.

Right after 9/11 I was flying with a middle eastern FO and he got quite a bit of static going through security. I had to call for a supervisor and an airport cop to get the few who were giving him grief to back off. He works for the airline, he has been fingerprinted and background checked, he was part of my crew, and there was no excuse for his treatment. He thought it was funny, I didn't. OTOH, I completely agree with increased scrutiny of normal passengers meeting the same description.

 

[flying4food]

OUR MISSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT. Smash those little Rastards. Piss them off every way possible. PROFILE. PROFILE. PROFILE. Piss on thier KORAN, feed them ham sandwiches on the airplane, shave thier beards, rub bacon on the seats, scratch your cock before you shake thier hand, have the FA tell them to sit down and shut the buck up. IF THEY PULL OUT A CELL TAKE IT FROM THEM !!!!! slap them with a pork chop!! If they dont like it bend em over and shove a plunger up thier gasshole. !!!

That's awsome, where do I sign up!!!!

 

[73belair]

If you do a search on this guy, he is the same one who wrote the flamebait on "ASA TO FURLOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" You sound convincing in your narative, but your previous flamebait makes me think twice. By the way, I just got finished watching "Inside 911" On the National Geographic channel. It's very disturbing with no more info on the attacks, but more recordings from firefighters and police. Give us a flight number and a date!

Maybe you should research that again. I did reply to that post and I called the guy who wrote it an idiot. Look before you post.

 

[Sig]

slap them with a pork chop!! If they dont like it bend em over and shove a plunger up thier gasshole. CAUSE GUESS WHAT if you go to the middle east they will snatch you're gass up take you to a fine hotel and cut your head off with a hacksaw blade. THAT WOULD PISS ME OFF !!!

I think I just swallowed my tongue laghing* at this.

Slap them with a pork chop! Priceless.

Aw look, Fareed is kwying. Here's a goat- relax later tonight. Still friends? Here, shake on it... GOTCHA!

*laughing, too.

 

[Veemoh]

Oh and by the way.......anybody against profiling young middle eastern men ages 18 to 35 is an idiot!!!!!

Open your eyes people, check your world events from the last 20 years.

Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual cuts from past history. They actually happened!!!

Do you remember?

1. In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by a. Olga Corbitt b. Sitting Bull c. Arnold Schwarzenegger d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

2. In 1979, the US embassy in Iran was taken over by: a. Lost Norwegians b. Elvis c. A tour bus full of 80-year-old women d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

3.During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: a. John Dillinger b. The King of Sweden c. The Boy Scouts d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

4.In 1983, the US Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: a. A pizza delivery boy b. Pee Wee Herman c. Geraldo Rivera d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

5. In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70 year old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by: a. The Smurfs b. Davy Jones c. The Little Mermaid d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

6.In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a US Navy diver trying to rescue passengers was murdered by: a. Captain Kidd b. Charles Lindberg c. Mother Teresa d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

7.In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: a. Scooby Doo b. The Tooth Fairy c. Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

8. In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by: a. Richard Simmons b. Grandma Moses c. Michael Jordan d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

9.In 1998, the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: a. Mr. Rogers b. Hillary Clinton, to distract attention from Wild Bill' s women problems c. The World Wrestling Federation d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

10.On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked; two were used as missiles to take out the World Trade Centers and of the remaining two, one crashed into the US Pentagon and the other was diverted and crashed by the passengers.Thousands of people were killed by: a. Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck and Elmer Fudd b. The Supreme Court of Florida c. Mr. Bean d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

11.In 2002 the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against: a. Enron b. The Lutheran Church c. The NFL d. Muslim male extremists mostly ! between the ages of 17 and 40

12. In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by: a. Bonnie and Clyde b. Captain Kangaroo c. Billy Graham d. Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Nope, ........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

 

[atrdriver]

Nope, ........I really don't see a pattern here to justify profiling, do you?

Just wait a few posts...One of the liberals will post "but what about McVeigh, that about the unibomber, what about the guy who bombed the ATL Olympics". It's just a matter of time.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Look at the beginning of the thread, someone already posted... "The Tim Mcviegh defense" to profiling.

 

[viper548]

Just wait a few posts...One of the liberals will post "but what about McVeigh, that about the unibomber, what about the guy who bombed the ATL Olympics". It's just a matter of time.

Profiling won't solve all the problems, but its better than what we are doing now

 

[B.T.]

Runnin' Out of Blutonium

Bluto, the jerk store called and they're runnin' out of you!

 

[Sig]

Just wait a few posts...One of the liberals will post "but what about McVeigh

For the love of god and country, it is NOT about 'liberals.' It's about folks that have no sense of reality or values. Re-read my posts in this forum (a page back) and think to yourself that a liberal wrote it.

You'll have a hard time believing it, but it's true.

**FTR: Micheal Moore is a tw@t, Kerry was (is) a douchebag, and John McCain is the biggest MAN in the senate forever and always (a true hero). But a political conservative I am not. Close to center, but left.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Listen up.

First of all this isn't the place for any security related discussions.

Toecutter,
Any idea where Norm Mineta spent his childhood years during WW2?

Secretary Mineta was confined to an internment camp in Wyoming. His crime? He was an American citizen of Japanese descent. Read a frigging history book sometime. Ever set foot on a college campus?

Now go put your white cape back on.

I can't believe how many idiots have FAA certs.

 

[RampTower]

Dude, that story has NOTHING on Smiling Paul's story. I mean he was the hero of the day according to him!

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/paulholte/terroristattack.html

"As I walked away, I felt proud, I had done a duty to our nation, I had done my part in getting this country back on it’s feet, I had prevented a terrorist attack!"

 

[viper548]

Dude, that story has NOTHING on Smiling Paul's story. I mean he was the hero of the day according to him!

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/paulholte/terroristattack.html

"As I walked away, I felt proud, I had done a duty to our nation, I had done my part in getting this country back on it’s feet, I had prevented a terrorist attack!"

That story was great!! The guy that got held up at security is probably plotting revenge on Paul as we speak.

My guess would be that the terrorist will rig Paul's altimeter to read 29.85 at all times.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

You know what came to mind when I read the quote attributed to the middle easterner? - "Security here won’t be a problem and we won’t have any trouble getting through'".

Perhaps he was making a reference to the line being short or non-existent. If he was an Arab terrorist something tells me he'd speak in Arabic or another language so his words couldn't be that easily overheard.

I have to wonder if the guy was even middle eastern. I always get a kick out of ignorant people referring to Hindu's from India as Islamic Arabs.

 

[soup can]

I can't believe how many idiots have FAA certs.

Yet you have one too, interseting cause your the biggest idiot in this forum.

Late

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Yet you have one too, interseting cause your the biggest idiot in this forum.

Late

So you and Toecutter are pals?

Oh and I suppose you think it's a good idea to discuss security issues here on a public forum.

You might want to rethink who you're calling an idiot buddy.

 

[DrewBlows]

Yet you have one too, interseting cause your the biggest idiot in this forum.

Late

"interesting because you're"

 

[pookie]

Dave,

Ignorance is alive and well in america. None of these people have ever known anyone outside their race and thus, their knowledge is limited. I had a shiek guy getting of my plane and the next crew was talking about how that guy looked like a "terrorist." They had no idea about what a hindu, sikh, or muslim believe. They just had this ignorant view, much like the people on this board.

The far right needs to hate people to further their cause. Either it be the native americans, african americans, japanese, or any other group that doesnt fit the profile.

Dispatcher121, you can not go around and install american values on the rest of the world. Its very ethnocentric of you and others to think that what is good for us, is good for others. You kill american soldiers lives and civilians to further your greedy values in order to push racist agendas by an administration that is about wealth and greed and not about the democratic values.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status
or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

You just talked about profiling and doesnt that take away the rights of individuals according to the high courts and judicial reviews. Yet, you talk about freedom. Hypocricy through Democracy.

Name me one christian, western country that has not pillaged native people, enslaved people, and committed genocide and i will answer your question.

 

[atrdriver]

You just talked about profiling and doesnt that take away the rights of individuals according to the high courts and judicial reviews. Yet, you talk about freedom. Hypocricy through Democracy.

Name me one christian, western country that has not pillaged native people, enslaved people, and committed genocide and i will answer your question.

Please tell me how profiling at an airport security checkpoint is taking away someones rights. Flying is NOT a right. And even if it was, profiling is simply picking those who fit a description for further scrutiny. So those that fit whatever description have to get wanded and have their bags hand checked. SO WHAT???? Pilots have been putting up with that since 9/11, so I would say that I have been the "victim" of profiling for the past 4 years. No ones rights would be violated by profiling at the airports. The best way to improve security isn't to find the weapons, it's to find the terrorists.

 

[The Natural]

Name me one christian, western country that has not pillaged native people, enslaved people, and committed genocide and i will answer your question.

The Natural: What is...Greenland and the Vatican?

Alex: That is correct!!

The Natural: Thank you Alex, I'll take liberals who enjoy whining and take for
granted the privelage it is to be American for 200!