Terror warning, keep your eyes out...

[atrdriver]

The very aspects terrorists embody: namely, the belief that because a person is different, they are worth less. It's an extremely small-minded view and I'd expect better from aviation professionals, though I know better.

No Bluto, it's not that because they are different they are worth less, it's that because they might be a bigger threat. Big difference.

 

[V1cutsrfun]

Using common sense instead of political correctness in national defense and airport security does not equal bigotry.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it usually is a duck......

 

[727gm]

Despite being a Bush appointee, Norm Mineta is a Democrat.

 

[joe_pilot]

Its actually Norm Minetta's fault. Secretary of Transportation. A Bush appointee. He's a Jap. He felt that the Jap Americans had a bad break during WWII so he didn't want any profiling. I don't like Hillary either, but don't blame everything that goes wrong on democrats. Usually when something gets "F" ed up, its usually a republican.

Toe,

Besides being a racisit you are wrong about your facts. Secretary Mineta is a Democrat who was first appointed to the cabinet by President Bill Clinton as Secretary of Commerce. He also served in the U.S. House of Representatives as a Democrat for 20 years.

While I disagree with his views on racial profiling, I have a great deal of respect for his more than 30 years of public service. He and in fact all Americans of Japanese descent certainly deserve more respect than being called a Jap.

Besides, his son is a friend of mine and I don't appreciate your name calling.

 

[73belair]

D@mn guys stop all the racest back and forth. Flame this and Flame that. This board really has fallen apart, and I don't see the "moderators" doing much about it.
This post is about saftey for us, not about who like guns who doesn't, who likes bush who doesn't. ect. Keep it on topic.

 

[Toecutter]

Joe Pilot and Bluto,

If it makes you feel any better , I take back what I said and will not use the word "Jap" anymore. Now go back to watching Tora Tora Tora, I bet its your favorite movie. Especially towards the end when the Arizona gets blown up, I bet thats your favorite part of the movie.

 

[xjcsa]

I can verify that Delta (ASA) flight 4467 yesterday diverted to Knoxville, TN for "pax/bag removal from flight". At least that much of the story appears to be true.

 

[Ben Dover]

Isn't it funny how we pick and choose which words offend us?

I mean no one's pissed that Chevy's (the restaurant) logo includes the phrase "Fresh Mex".

But imagine the uproar at something like "Benihana, Fresh Jap" or "Panda Express, Fresh Chink"

 

[MACH.83]

Well girls here's the FACTS. Islam dictates that you must DIE ! GOT IT !!! They don't care about you're family, kids, friends, or how cool you are. They will kill themself to kill you. They want CNN FOX and every other news orginization to broadcast thier mission completion to all thier buddies. (moral boost for the troops) OUR MISSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT. Smash those little Rastards. Piss them off every way possible. PROFILE. PROFILE. PROFILE. Piss on thier KORAN, feed them ham sandwiches on the airplane, shave thier beards, rub bacon on the seats, scratch your cock before you shake thier hand, have the FA tell them to sit down and shut the buck up. IF THEY PULL OUT A CELL TAKE IT FROM THEM !!!!! slap them with a pork chop!! If they dont like it bend em over and shove a plunger up thier gasshole. CAUSE GUESS WHAT if you go to the middle east they will snatch you're gass up take you to a fine hotel and cut your head off with a hacksaw blade. THAT WOULD PISS ME OFF !!!

 

[CE402]

GIVE THAT GITHCH SOME LEAD(Lets say 25 rounds) of USA WE AIN'T PLAYIN.

That is my nomination for sentence of the year.

 

[DrewBlows]

Well girls here's the FACTS. Islam dictates that you must DIE ! GOT IT !!! They don't care about you're family, kids, friends, or how cool you are. They will kill themself to kill you. They want CNN FOX and every other news orginization to broadcast thier mission completion to all thier buddies. (moral boost for the troops) OUR MISSION SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO ACCEPT. Smash those little Rastards. Piss them off every way possible. PROFILE. PROFILE. PROFILE. Piss on thier KORAN, feed them ham sandwiches on the airplane, shave thier beards, rub bacon on the seats, scratch your cock before you shake thier hand, have the FA tell them to sit down and shut the buck up. IF THEY PULL OUT A CELL TAKE IT FROM THEM !!!!! slap them with a pork chop!! If they dont like it bend em over and shove a plunger up thier gasshole. CAUSE GUESS WHAT if you go to the middle east they will snatch you're gass up take you to a fine hotel and cut your head off with a hacksaw blade. THAT WOULD PISS ME OFF !!!

Didn't I fly with you last week?

 

[Cardenal]

You all are starting to scare me with this right-wing jingoism
So--

-Eric Rudolph
-Timothy McVeigh
-Sharpshooters in DC (forgot the names)

Three recent examples of non-arab persons perpetrating attacks.

Also
-Richard Reid (shoe bomber)
-One of the bombers in London was Jamaican (I think)

Also--
--Pat Robertson (Christian paragon that he is, bless his wretched little soul) yesterday actually advocated murdering the president of Venezuela (who is a bastard, I give you that). He is no different from those freaky mullahs.

But finally, the argument AGAINST profiling is that then the enemy will use people that don't fit the "profile" to carry out the attack much more easily.

The way you all talk gives me chills--"please come thees vey, der is noting to fear, eeet eees only a shower". Do you all goose step around your bunkers wearing boots?

We are Americans! We stand for decency! We are not Nazis, for crying out loud.

Whew!
just my .02

gutentag

Cardenal

musta been a satellite phone.

PROFILING NEEDS TO BEGIN NOW, all terrorist acts in the last 20 years have been committed by young arab males, how much more destruction is it going to take????

 

[legalalien]

Sorry to say it, but it is Legit Bluto. I was just reading the report in our morning ops summary. I think you can probably guess the company involved from the route of flight FNT -ATL

Kind of makes you wonder how many tests of our security and responses are being made!

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

We are Americans! We stand for decency! We are not Nazis, for crying out loud.

How do you think the Nazi's were beaten? We did not do it be being decent to them, we defeated Nazi Germany by killing and slaughtering every goose stepping bozo that we could get into a gun or bomb sight.

War is not pretty, their goal is not to inconvienance you on your daily trip to the grocerystore, they intend to kill as many americans as possible and they do not decriminate between men women or children (Osamas exact words)

At least we attempt to not kill the non-combabtants.........they TARGET the non-combatants!

Wake up skippy, they would love to gut you and your child like a pig, it gets their rocks off.

 

[The Natural]

Yeah Bluto!!! Go Sing A Song Chill Out......my Grandfather Still Calls Them Japs And He Would Kick Your A$$
Profile All Middle Eastern Males That Have Not Been In This Country For Longer Than 20 Years!!!

Japs? you must be living in a cave. You are the Encino man of rednecks. Dont be late for that shotgun dinner date with your sister.

P.S. Git her done.

The Natural.

 

[LXApilot]

Announcement on todays flight :

"(normal crap)... and ladies and gentleman; please take an extra moment today to make sure your cell phones are turned off and not turned on in flight for ANY reason. If a cell phone is turned on in flight, we will consider this a serious offense today and will immediately make a diversion to a nearby airport where you can explain to authorities why your cellular phone was turned on in flight. So if you could all take a few extra seconds to make sure your phones and other personal devices are turned off, and double check those around you, we'd especially it. Once again welcome aboard, we appreciate your business. Flight attendants, prepare for takeoff please."

 

[joe_pilot]

Joe Pilot and Bluto,

If it makes you feel any better , I take back what I said and will not use the word "Jap" anymore. Now go back to watching Tora Tora Tora, I bet its your favorite movie. Especially towards the end when the Arizona gets blown up, I bet thats your favorite part of the movie.

Toe,
It isn't the word 'Jap' that offends me so much as the context in which you used it. Had I been a squadron commander in 1944 leading a run against Tokyo, I can guarantee I would have used the term. But to use it against an American citizen with a history of working for his community at all levels is disgusting.

BTW, Tora! Tora! Tora! IS one of my favorite movies. And you guessed right, my favorite part is at the end, though not where you placed it. It's where Admiral Yamamoto says "I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant".

...This post is about saftey for us, not about who like guns who doesn't, who likes bush who doesn't. ect. Keep it on topic.

73belair, Sorry for the Thread-jack and thanks for the heads-up on this.

Using common sense instead of political correctness in national defense and airport security does not equal bigotry.

Well said.

 

[AVDAD]

This is serious stuff!

My son is a pilot and I am a 30 year LEO. This pretty much covers what we were briefed on in April 2002. These people are sworn to kill us, let there be no doubt.

Regardless of your political and/or religious persuasion, read this
seriously.


This is a little bit long to read, but it certainly is worth reading and
gives wonderful insight to where our country is and where it could be
headed. There's no finger pointing at any one political party, but it
gives direction and encourages thinking for all of us. Please read and
forward. This analysis, by a retired USAF major general, of the USA's
dilemma in the war on terror is possibly one of the clearest, most
vivid, comprehensive and realistic assessment of the situation that I
have seen to date. Note that the general's comments were published
before events in the UK. This is stunning stuff. If only our leadership
had the spine to look into the face of reality and act accordingly. What
if the President simply read the general's comments on a national
television broadcast? Read carefully and you will see the pieces unfold
right before your eyes and on target.

Subject: This War Is For Real

MG Vernon Chong, USAF ret

This WAR is for REAL

To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our country
is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).

The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that there are
very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
who realize what losing really means.

First, let's examine a few basics:

1. When did the threat to us start?
Many will say September 11th, 2001. The answer as far as the United
States is concerned is 1979, 22 years prior to September 2001, with the
following attacks on us:

Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;

Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;

Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;

Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;

First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;

Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex 1996;

Nairobi, Kenya US Embassy 1998;

Dares Salaam, Tanzania US Embassy 1998;

Aden, Yemen USS Cole 2000;

New York World Trade Center 2001;

Pentagon 2001.

(Note that during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
terrorist attacks worldwide).

2. Why were we attacked?
Envy of our position, our success, and our freedoms. The attacks
happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
1, Clinton and Bush2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or
Democrats as there were no provocations by any of the presidents or
their immediate predecessors, Presidents Ford or Carter.

3. Who were the attackers?
In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by Muslims.

4. What is the Muslim population of the World?

25%.

5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful?

Hopefully, but that is really not material. There is no doubt that the
predominately Christian population of Germany was peaceful, but under
the dictatorial leadership of Hitler (who was also Christian), that made
no difference. You either went along with the administration or you were
eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million Christians killed by the Nazis for
political reasons (including 7,000 Polish priests). (see
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7-a.htm).


Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the Nazis, as
the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
heard of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept
the world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy about killing anyone
who got in his way of exterminating the Jews or of taking over the world
- German, Christian or any others.

Same with the Muslim terrorists. They focus the world on the US, but
kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, French or anyone
else. The point here is that just like the peaceful Germans were of no
protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
there maybe, they are no protection for us from the terrorist Muslim
leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing -- by their own
pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was shut up or die?

6. So who are we at war with?

There is no way we can honestly respond that it is anyone other than the
Muslim terrorists. Trying to be politically correct and avoid
verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal. There is no way to win if
you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.

So with that background, now to the two major questions:

1. Can we lose this war?

2. What does losing really mean?

If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions.

We can definitely lose this war, and as anomalous as it may sound, the
major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
answer to the second question - What does losing mean?

It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war means
hanging our heads, bringing the troops home and going on about our
business, like post Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can
get.

What losing really means is:
We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The attacks will
not subside, but rather will steadily increase. Remember, they want us
dead, not just quiet. If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not
have produced an increasing series of attacks against us, over the past
18 years. The plan was clearly, for terrorist to attack us, until we
were neutered and submissive to them.

We would of course have no future support from other nations, for fear
of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
cannot help them.

They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It will
be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. It
doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its
troops from Iraq. Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed
their train and told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they
want Spain to do will be done. Spain is finished.

The next will probably be France. Our one hope on France is that they
might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists without us.
However, it may already be too late for France. France is already 20%
Muslim and fading fast!

If we lose the war, our production, income, exports and way of life will
all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with us,
if they were threatened by the Muslims. If we can't stop the Muslims,
how could anyone else? The Muslims fully know what is riding on this
war, and therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We
better know it too and be likewise committed to winning at any cost. Why
do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing? Simple. Until we
recognize the costs of losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of
our thoughts and efforts into winning. And it is going to take that 100%
effort to win.

So, how can we lose the war?

Again, the answer is simple. We can lose the war by "imploding." That
is, defeating ourselves by refusing to recognize the enemy and their
purpose, and really digging in and lending full support to the war
effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose. If we
continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win!

Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
life and death seriousness of this situation.

(Continued)

 

[AVDAD]

Seriuos stuff part 2

President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of Transportation.

Although all of the terrorist attacks were committed by Muslim men
between 17 and 40 years of age, Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously? This
is war! For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the
civil rights we have become accustomed to. We had better be prepared to
lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose
all of them permanently.

And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up plenty of civil
rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the victory and
in fact added many more since then.

Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?

No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our
Political Correctness, and all of our civil rights during this conflict
and have a clean, lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to
war. Get them out of your head.

Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
Administration that it almost seems they would literally like to see us
lose. I hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is
because they just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that
conduct gives the impression to the enemy that we are divided and
weakening. It concerns our friends, and it does great damage to our
cause.

Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and media
regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war, perhaps exemplifies
best what I am saying.

We have recently had an issue, involving the treatment of a few Muslim
prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.

These are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing
their own people off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out
their tongues and otherwise murdering their own people just for
disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.

And just a few years ago these same type prisoners chemically killed
400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
type enemy fighters, who recently were burning Americans, and dragging
their charred corpses through the streets of Iraq.

And still more recently, the same type enemy that was and is providing
videos to all news sources internationally, of the beheading of American
prisoners they held.

Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for several
days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of
some Muslim prisoners
--
not burning them,
not dragging their charred corpses through the streets, not beheading
them, but "humiliating" them.

Can this be for real?

The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of the
Secretary of Defense.

If this doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and
understanding of the seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life
and death struggle we are in and the disastrous results of losing this
war, nothing can.

To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this
prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned
-- totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world.

Neither we, nor any other country, can survive this internal strife.

Again I say, this does not mean that some of our politicians or media
people are disloyal. It simply means that they are absolutely oblivious
to the magnitude, of the situation we are in and into which the Muslim
terrorists have been pushing us, for many years.

Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated goal is to kill all infidels!
That translates into all non-Muslims -- not just in the United States,
but throughout the world.

We are the last bastion of defense.

We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That charge
is valid in at least one respect. We are arrogant in that we believe
that we are so good, powerful and smart, that we can win the hearts and
minds of all those who attack us, and that with both hands tied behind
our back, we can defeat anything bad in the world!

We can't!

If we don't recognize this, our nation as we know it will not survive,
and no other free country in the World will survive if we are defeated.

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow
freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of
the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status
or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way
that contributes to the good of the world.

This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this war or
we will be equated in the history books to the self-inflicted fall of
the Roman Empire. If, that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history
books to be written or read.

If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the Muslims
take over France in the next 5 years or less. They will continue to
increase the Muslim population of France and continue to encroach little
by little, on the established French traditions. The French will be
fighting among themselves, over what should or should not be done, which
will continue to weaken them and keep them from any united resolve.
Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?

Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by some
external military force. Instead, they give their freedoms away,
politically correct piece by politically correct piece.

And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even
to themselves,once they are in power.

They have universally shown that when they have taken over, they then
start brutally killing each other over who will be the few who control
the masses. Will we ever stop hearing from the politically correct,
about the "peaceful Muslims"?

I close on a hopeful note, by repeating what I said above. If we are
united, there is no way that we can lose. I hope now after the election,
the factions in our country will begin to focus on the critical
situation we are in, and will unite to save our country. It is your
future we are talking about! Do whatever you can to preserve it.

After reading the above, we all must do this not only for ourselves, but
our children, our grandchildren, our country and the world.

Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal and that
includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free world!


....................
A Forwarded Comment
I thank General Chong for forwarding this most appropriate and timely
writing... I certainly concur with the writer on the necessity for
standing up and uniting as peace loving American citizens. This country
was founded by our forebearers fleeing religious persecution. I do not
care what religion anyone in this country chooses to practice as long as
it does not advocate the overthrow of our government or the slaughter of
people who do not choose to practice a religion that opposes the spread
of democracy because of the choice it gives people to live in freedom.
The fastest road to peace is to ensure a free world. "Speak softly and
carry a BIG stick"


"Before I lay me down to sleep...And fall into a slumber deep... Hear
this little prayer of mine...Hope it gets to You in time... Bless those
on land and sea and air...Who fight for freedom here and there... Send
special blessings from above...Protect them with Your shield of love...
Return them safely, we humbly pray... To the Land of the Free...And the
Home of the Brave..." Amen

 

[Wacopilot]

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