Ted --- new name for UAL's Starfish

[spinup]

"None of it occurred? Oh so the ATSB did approve your loan? Name calling? A stooge is another term for someone who blindly follows a given mantra. Again your thin skin shows."

Holy Hanna!! Just because I could define Jacka$$, doesn’t make it a valid argument tactic. Name calling has nothing to due with the thickness of skin, it's a good determinate of resignation on your part however. ATSB loan, you may be up there with Naustradaumus on that prediction. Shall we hold that single prediction in dozens of failed ones as your benchmark?

"Gloating. Like your comment about CAL in Denver? The retirement comment was an example of if I was gloating. Of course, it fits nicely with your continued grasping at an argument."

Unlike you, I made no claims. Nice accountability.

"Of course not, but as transparent as you are it matches exactly with what my UAL buddies say is an epidemic over there."

I heard from a friend who heard from a cousin that’s how it is. No foundation here. Typical of the basis surrounding your "facts"

"When someone says (in the previous post) "you have convienently not mentioned,.............." I didn't say you posted the aforesaid words. It was in a general reference to your accusation about my "gloating" etc. Again I ask is the terms unfamiliar to you and your UAL friends?
Don't go running off on some tangent again and start whimpering that I am accusing you of posting this. It is a question."

What the??? Not sure what that was all about. Never saw a question in your last post. Try one of these if you have a question (?).

 

[texanpilot]

Wow, thesaurus and dictionary time. Not only pilots, but learned pilots. Impressive.

 

[Boeingman]

Holy Hanna!! Just because I could define Jacka$$, doesn’t make it a valid argument tactic. Name calling has nothing to due with the thickness of skin, it's a good determinate of resignation on your part however. ATSB loan, you may be up there with Naustradaumus on that prediction. Shall we hold that single prediction in dozens of failed ones as your benchmark?

You are reminding me of the homeless who talk incoherently to themselves. Dozens? Not only do you have a continued and blatent problem grasping the concept of opinion vis a vis prediction you are flavoring it with an unbelieveable exaggeration. Funny, I'llbet you were running around deflowering anyone who said you didn't have a prayer to get the ATSB loan.

And I stand by my comments about your DIP monies. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Unlike you, I made no claims. Nice accountability.

Huh? Accountability for an opinion? LOL.

I heard from a friend who heard from a cousin that’s how it is. No foundation here. Typical of the basis surrounding your "facts"

Not at all. Some very senior guys at UAL who also have an opininon. Of course there is no foundation because you're either to scared or ignorant to listen to another view. Perhaps both in your case.

What the??? Not sure what that was all about. Never saw a question in your last post. Try one of these if you have a question (?).

Question mark.....look really carefully, it is after the word "friends". The rest was fairly self explanatory. To most people I should add. When some says "It is a question" that is more of a statement to the obvious that you (continue) to ignore reference your "gloating mantra.

Back to the original intent of the thread. I stil think UAL is in very deep kiminsha and if you feel this elementary school type marketing will get you back on track, more power to you.

BTW, any word on your underfunded pensions? What are they now 3, 4 billion? Exit money with this? Keep spinning, should be interesting.

 

[spinup]

Boeingman,

Remember that scene in the movie Anger Management, the one where Adam Sandler is flying as a passenger in the beginning of the movie. You remind me of that FAM telling Adam Sandler "just calm down sir". To which Adam replies "I am calm". If you haven’t seen it, rent it.

The unreasonable FAM was blinded by opinion and manipulated circumstances to his liking. Kind of like your envolvement in our exchange. It's been comical.

 

[P3-Adub]

Hey Spinup, Why Bother ?

Sounds like someone is getting under your skin, as I have said before, time will tell. Don't really have to make a point with this Bozo, he already has all of the asnwers. A lot of incorrect answers but hey, he is making noise.

Prediction from me, and it is only an opinion not fact, before I get blasted by some loser with nothing better to do: UAL will survive, prosper, and TED will be a hit. Just my biased .02 worth. Before anyone jumps on my back, just wait 2 years and then reply.

Big watches, big egos, and big ...... oh why bother.

Go TED ! Cool paint job !

 

[Boeingman]

Boeingman,

Remember that scene in the movie Anger Management, the one where Adam Sandler is flying as a passenger in the beginning of the movie. You remind me of that FAM telling Adam Sandler "just calm down sir". To which Adam replies "I am calm". If you haven’t seen it, rent it.

The unreasonable FAM was blinded by opinion and manipulated circumstances to his liking. Kind of like your envolvement in our exchange. It's been comical.

No, I pass on Adam Sandler.

Comical...LOL this coming from a guy who has a sponge bob for an avatar?

Nice evasion of the questions. Yep a true Brain Surgeon.

 

[Boeingman]

Re: Hey Spinup, Why Bother ?

Sounds like someone is getting under your skin, as I have said before, time will tell. Don't really have to make a point with this Bozo, he already has all of the asnwers. A lot of incorrect answers but hey, he is making noise.

Prediction from me, and it is only an opinion not fact, before I get blasted by some loser with nothing better to do: UAL will survive, prosper, and TED will be a hit. Just my biased .02 worth. Before anyone jumps on my back, just wait 2 years and then reply.

Big watches, big egos, and big ...... oh why bother.

Go TED ! Cool paint job !

Ah, you're going to have to try harder to irritate me. Let see, let me guess what airline your furloughed from. UAL better prosper, or you're going to stuck flying that citation for a long, long time.

 

[Mugs]

LOL, doubtfull but you never know. Frankly It wouldn't mean a thing to me financially.

Wonderful Boeingman. Even better that your side ventures require so little attention that you can devote so much time to spreading "opinions" here. If the airline business is such a "sideshow" as you have called it, why do you bother with this forum? It is hard to conclude anything else other than you enjoy sticking a fork in those with their backs against the wall. It sure isn't my idea of entertainment. Unfortunately, your "opinions" over the last year demonstrate that this is exactly what it is to you. The whole point is to get a reaction and say "ahhh, looks like I struck a nerve." Great. Tell you what, if we tank I'll tell you all about my financial problems so you can feel even better about yourself. You can remind me again how the sideshow never mattered to you.

 

[texanpilot]

I forget, How did Continental Lite, USair shuttle, and United's shuttle do?

 

[Boeingman]

Wonderful Boeingman. Even better that your side ventures require so little attention that you can devote so much time to spreading "opinions" here. If the airline business is such a "sideshow" as you have called it, why do you bother with this forum? It is hard to conclude anything else other than you enjoy sticking a fork in those with their backs against the wall. It sure isn't my idea of entertainment. Unfortunately, your "opinions" over the last year demonstrate that this is exactly what it is to you. The whole point is to get a reaction and say "ahhh, looks like I struck a nerve." Great. Tell you what, if we tank I'll tell you all about my financial problems so you can feel even better about yourself. You can remind me again how the sideshow never mattered to you.

Having been through a strike and 2 BK's the idea of putting some salted advice to those who are we say delusional.

Backs against the wall Mugs? Hardly. Just keep reading the propoganda from Spinup P3 and some of your other Brain Surgeon brethren and things will be A-OK. Tank? No way, TED is going to be the savior of UAL. How's that?

Might I suggest to you as well if you don't like my opinions either A) don't read them or B) put me on ignore. C) Don't respond.

I wonder if that train wreck of a thread about airlines you love to hate has UAL on top because of the attitudes over there? Hmmmmm.

It is laughable on what your money problems has to do with this "sideshow". Are you trying to tell me I should feel sorry for you?

P.S. Hurry up boys with your responses, I'm off to Europe in just a bit.

 

[texanpilot]

Wow Europe! You must be a REAL airline pilot.

 

[Boeingman]

Wow Europe! You must be a REAL airline pilot.

OK, next time I'll lie about where I'm headed.

BTW good question about the other shuttle disasters. One that I'm sure will get no good response.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

Still same old UAL (mis)management

This hare-brained scheme has almost no chance of succeeding, but I guess the UAL brass felt that had to do SOMETHING. They want to come out of BK but regardless of that the fact remains...sooner or later you have to start making a profit.

Someone said earlier it's just a matter of luck they're not a laid-off UAL pilot....they did not get called for an interview. Looking back, I feel glad I made the decision I did. In the late 90's and through 2000 I purposely made the decision NOT to apply to UAL even though I was very competitive on qualifications. Reason being was that I so strongly disagreed with UAL's out-of-control affirmative action hiring policies. I knew there was no way I wanted to work for a company like that, regardless what pay and benefits they were offering. I considered it a matter of integrity...and now thank God I thought the way I did...or I too would be asking "Would you like fries with that?"

IMHO United has a long way to go and I put her chances of survival around 50/50.

 

[texanpilot]

"BTW good question about the other shuttle disasters. One that I'm sure will get no good response."

Just wondering why TED will work and no other lower cost carrier within a fat airline failed miserably.

 

[Mugs]

I wonder if that train wreck of a thread about airlines you love to hate has UAL on top because of the attitudes over there? Hmmmmm.

Sorry I couldn't chime in before your Highness left for Europe. However, perhaps you are correct about the attitude problems. They certainly have been a factor at UAL in the past. You would have fit right in.

It is laughable on what your money problems has to do with this "sideshow". Are you trying to tell me I should feel sorry for you?

LOL. No, thats OK BM! You do a much better job sticking your nose up in the air. I've got enough socked away if UAL tanks. But yes, you will still be much better off than I --- I know how important it is for you to be able to say that. Are you going to remind us again about what a business tycoon you are now? Or maybe you can tell us about taking the sideshow to Europe and paling around with Bethune.

UAL better prosper, or you're going to stuck flying that citation for a long, long time.

Oh, what a terrible thing that would be. Flying a Citation is so far below the life and style of the sideshow airline pilot. Can't buy the BMW doing that now can we? Plenty of pilots fly business jets for a living and are proud of it. I'm sure they would appreciate your take on it as being "stuck."

I don't have any problem with your position that UAL won't make it. I believe that is possible and the vast majority of the guys on the line believe it too. However, rarely do you back it up with factual information the way a professional analyst would. Sorry, talking to Gordon, like talking to Tilton, doesn't count as evidence either way. If you could make a fact based argument without tossing in the jabs, I would respect your opinion. Instead, you toss around the same type of superiority complex that you single out United for. Like I said, in that case you would have fit right in. All that attitude and you have seen BK twice. Amazing.

 

[skykid]

texanpilot, good question. UAL ain't a fat airline anymore. I'll relate it to the pilot stuff because that's what I know the most about. The Shuttle used to go up against Southwest mostly in Cali. During the dotcom boom of the 90s, the Shuttle was actually doing quite well - hard not to make money back then. Here's just one example of why it didn't work when the dotcom bubble busted. I'm no expert on how many pilots Southwest has per plane and they can correct me, but I'm going to guess 10.5 to 11. Because of UAL's work rules, we had closer to 16 or 17 pilots per plane! Vacation override does not exist anymore, but a lineholder could pretty much get a month off, even on the Shuttle, with 10 days of vacation. 5 or 6 extra guys per plane, all costing 10k or so a month when you factor in health care. Because UAL needs bunkies to fly oversees they will never get to 11 pilots a plane, but the domestic fleet will. 10700 pilots two year ago counting FEs - around 7000 next Spring. They are cutting the fat out of every part of the operation and that is the key. The question shoud be why does UAL need a LCO when the whole operation is low cost? And the answer is they want a fresh look and a new approach. Anybody who thinks this is 'the plan,' hasn't been paying attention at all.

 

[crashpad]

"Taking a corporate jet? Heck no, I'm hopping on Ted tonight and gonna ride him all the way to San Fransisco! YEEHAW!!!"

 

[G4G5]

TED

Is just United without the yoU and I

 

[Mr.Aviation]

Bye-bye United Airlines...may it rest in peace!!

 

[Cadillac]

TED

The first thing that comes to my mind is Bill and Ted

If they are appealing to the mid 20's crowd, they could even have Keanu Reeves reprise his role in commercials or cardboard cutouts by the gate playing the air guitar.

woah Bill, this airline is totally EXCELLENT!!!