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[BrickTop]

I cant believe they accepted this piece of sh!t. If you think this trend wont stop think again. Mainline carriers are NOT taking flying back and regional pay WILL continue to go DOWN. Someday you jack apples have to accept this industry is in an unstoppable decline.

 

[General Lee]

I cant believe they accepted this piece of sh!t. If you think this trend wont stop think again. Mainline carriers are NOT taking flying back and regional pay WILL continue to go DOWN. Someday you jack apples have to accept this industry is in an unstoppable decline.

Wait, mainline pilots are taking the flying back. The 88 717s will fill in for the 76 and 70 seaters that will now have to cover the routes left by exiting 50 seaters. That is how you get more revenue during high oil, more seats on the routes. If a 50 seater can't make enough to cover the gas bill, maybe a 70 seater can, and so on. The 88 717s will cover a lot of the current 76 seat routes, like DTW to IAH for example. That shouldn't be flown by an RJ, those cities are huge. A 717 should be on that, and it looks like management might agree. 88 717s will require abour 1000 new hires too, btw.... (including 14 new MD90s coming in 2013---for possible hiring in early 2014 and beyond supposedly)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

blah blah blah! Find a new tune willya Jenny!

 

[79%N1]

Hey! Did y'all hear about the 88 717's and fewer gas guzzling 50 seaters????

Just wondering.....

 

[No Delay]

BTW ALPA is not perfect and has its flaws but can you tell me any one group that has done more good for this industry? Safety, hour limitations, rest limitations so we don't fly till we drop..... Your airlines group of pilots has done nothing for this industry except gain from the standards largely achieved from the group effort of ALPA. Be humble of your criticism when you have brought nothing to the table other than complaints of others work.

I think ALPA needs to decide what roll they want to play. They cannot be all things to all pilots. Which is what they try to do for the purpose of collecting dues. the original intent of ALPA may have been for the safety and betterment of the profession. Make no mistake...today, ALPA is a business! Out to make money. Recent example...ALPA's decision to go after 401k. It was a search for more money. Which is fine. I have no problem with them being a business. But pilots need to treat them as such.

If ALPA represents all pilots, how did this TA help pinnacle? Did it benefit delta more? What about how this will affect XJT in the future? And all the other regionals? They have spearheaded a fight that will continue for years to come. How was this representing ALL pilots? How did this improve the profession for all pilots? Not just delta? How did this improve safety?

ALPA wants to be a democracy as some have stated but they function as a business. They walk a line to be involved with as many pilot groups as they can for the purpose of dues. They are a business and should have to compete in a free market like every other business. Democracies take years and are almost impossible to change....take a look at our government. Allow pilots to vote with their dues. Force ALPA to earn your dues. Remove the closed shop and see what happens. In a free market, a business either performs or dies.

We need an organization like ALPA (like the original intent) to focus on safety and the betterment of all airline pilots. We need them to lobby the FAA and congress on our behalf. But they have put their hands in too many pots to where they have become ineffective at anything. One organization cannot effectively represent all pilot groups on a detailed personal level...which is what we are paying dues for.

 

[Adam]

WOW, Somebody just told the emperor that he is naked.

 

[PCL_128]

WOW, Somebody just told the emperor that he is naked.

Hardly. He just repeated the same tired nonsense that has been rebutted ad nauseam here for years. Not even worth a reply.

 

[Flyer1015]

Of course it isn't worth a reply because you have nothing to say. He's pretty accurate.

 

[CFIT]

I think ALPA needs to decide what roll they want to play. They cannot be all things to all pilots. Which is what they try to do for the purpose of collecting dues.

No words better sum up ALPA.

The landscape has changed and it is impossible to have a single organization represent both mainline and regionals.

This 9E situation is a perfect example.

The TA will effect all regional pilots, another classic ALPA failure.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

No words better sum up ALPA.

The landscape has changed and it is impossible to have a single organization represent both mainline and regionals.

This 9E situation is a perfect example.

The TA will effect all regional pilots, another classic ALPA failure.

Perhaps you should thank the MEC who crafted the TA, and the pilots who voted for it too. Nice to know SKYW is salivating at hiring the furloughed pilots at first year pay. These guys will be on your seniority list and sitting in your simulator sessions.....

 

[PCL_128]

Of course it isn't worth a reply because you have nothing to say. He's pretty accurate.

I've been responding to posts just like his for a decade. Long before you ever touched the controls of an airplane.

 

[EngineThunder]

So it goes all the way back to the Gulfstream days, PCL?

 

[PCL_128]

So it goes all the way back to the Gulfstream days, PCL?

Nah, that's was longer ago. I'm getting old.

 

[Flyer1015]

I've been responding to posts just like his for a decade. Long before you ever touched the controls of an airplane.

I first touched the controls in 2001, which is right about when you were working on your licenses/Gulfstream. You still forget we are very close in age and we both started flying as teenagers. But nice try to deflect and use age as a tool. But that usually only works when the other guy is much much older.

 

[Flyer1015]

No words better sum up ALPA.

The landscape has changed and it is impossible to have a single organization represent both mainline and regionals.

This 9E situation is a perfect example.

The TA will effect all regional pilots, another classic ALPA failure.

This is what I've been saying all along. I view it as a conflict of interest. One's good harms the other, and vice versa. Of course, the ALPA chest thumpers will tell you otherwise.