TA details

[rtmcfi]

Some quick Highlights:

9% pay cut (more if above 12 years)
12 year Captain longevity cap
4 year FO longevity cap
50% 401K match up to 10%
cash payout from $2000-$26000 upon exit from bankruptcy
No flow but single day expedited interview/hiring process (2 chances)
Delta hires a certain number of 9E outside of this program as well
Mesaba flow stays intact
Some medical and furlough payouts
Health care pretty much unchanged
7.5 year guarantee for 81 900's with Richard Andersons signature on it
likely 9E becomes whole owned of Delta
Same min day of 4 hours
Some give up a week of vacation for 2014
Contract still way above lowest competitors
Delta airlines becomes involved in grievance process
5% of trips can be 5 day worth 25 hours
Probably less 150% open time, same junior man pay though
Profit sharing

Lee Moawk was instrumental in the whole deal.

Which competitor is this possibly above? 12 year captain cap? 4 yr Fo cap? Can this possibly be true? Wtf is a single day expedited interview? A quick way to show you the door? Everyone that is getting furloughed (which sadly, is most of you) needs to ask themselves, would you rather leave this job with more money or less money? Delta has shown their hand. You are getting furloughed either way. As bigger equipment shows up, the 200's go away. Your vote means nothing.

Delta cant shut you down too quickly, as your routes must be covered. But, most assuredly, your routes are going away. You can only decide to leave with more money or less money. If you are an Fo, or low time captain, the preferential interview means nothing, as a bunch of Captains from (insert generic regional airline here) will also be applying. (Unfortunately), You will probably end up on another regionals payroll. Your vote may well influence just how paltry your next paycheck is, as well as your current one.

Every airline is going to come after their pilots for cuts if your abortion of an offer passes. You are not only going to reduce your current wage, but your future one as well. I could almost see voting in a cut to save your job. However, no matter what you vote on this, your position has been decided. I'm glad I am not in your shoes right now. I hope I'm not coming across in any way as smug or superior. My luck has just been better so far.

Don't let the senior guys pressure you into a yes vote. Vote what is best for you, as well as what's left of the so called profession. Good luck and Merry Christmas!

 

[budd]

Is this Regional board ONLY for regional pilots? I happen to like the WHOLE industry, and I have friends at Regionals (like the Mesaba guys that turned down the flow up) and at Legacies, etc. I have opionions for many parts of this industry. Is that NOT allowed? I didn't read that anywhere. I used to fly at the "commuters" long ago, and that never left me. PUT ME ON IGNORE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. Sorry again about your wife, I hope she gets better.
I really don't want a deadly crash to ever happen again but if it does I hope your in the front row. I can't even watch the news about those kids but you thrive on that ******************** because they are not your kids. Thats who you are and Delta will make that even worse. You never knew the word NO growing up did you??? This world is fucced up because of people with your selfish mentality. I have a PHD in Psychology and fly for a regional airline and love it. I have my own business on the side but we don't take people at your level!! (mentality)To you that is trailer trash but you probaly cook burgers with the guy that works at walmart and treat him like God. I know I am close there huh? ******************** you and all DAL pilots! Next time I talk to you will be in person>!!! You have fun spanking on FI!

 

[General Lee]

Is this Regional board ONLY for regional pilots? I happen to like the WHOLE industry, and I have friends at Regionals (like the Mesaba guys that turned down the flow up) and at Legacies, etc. I have opionions for many parts of this industry. Is that NOT allowed? I didn't read that anywhere. I used to fly at the "commuters" long ago, and that never left me. PUT ME ON IGNORE IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT. Sorry again about your wife, I hope she gets better.
I really don't want a deadly crash to ever happen again but if it does I hope your in the front row. I can't even watch the news about those kids but you thrive on that ******************** because they are not your kids. Thats who you are and Delta will make that even worse. You never knew the word NO growing up did you??? This world is fucced up because of people with your selfish mentality. I have a PHD in Psychology and fly for a regional airline and love it. I have my own business on the side but we don't take people at your level!! (mentality)To you that is trailer trash but you probaly cook burgers with the guy that works at walmart and treat him like God. I know I am close there huh? ******************** you and all DAL pilots! Next time I talk to you will be in person>!!! You have fun spanking on FI!

Well oh-Kay then........ Let it out.... Easy now. Goodnight....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[gnx99]

Max FO rate goes from $48.11 to $38.58. 20%!

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Budd,

Not to be a dick or anything, but you're the one that's sounding all crazy man. Why do you let GL get under your skin like that? He's harmless!!! Keep your head up and put your best foot forward, I truly hope you are 'ok' and your wife gets better.

 

[www.]

Max FO rate goes from $48.11 to $38.58. 20%!

And the CPT is down to approx $88. 9% reduction plus max 14 years.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Whelp, there goes the neighborhood. That's a 50-seat rate for flying a -900. PRECISELY what Delta was going for, with the blessing of ALPA. All for a guaranteed interview. Sounds like a flimsy Flying mag ad.

 

[bri5150]

I bet it passes. Lump sum payments are very enticing for those about to lose their job. I am just stating reality. Between that and the guarenteed quick interview, it passes.

 

[ASAFOE120]

And the CPT is down to approx $88. 9% reduction plus max 14 years.

Ouch!!! That's like a 13 year 50 seat CA here. If this passes, we're doomed!!!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

When you factor in SS and everything else, any bonus that is paid will be taxed at a much higher rate than normal.

40% is a rough number. These guys gonna sell out for a 5K check - 40%. What's that gonna pay for a couple months' rent or something?

 

[pilotnbr1]

Havent heard how long you might get stuck with this turd..
Also any duty rigs?
What about deadhead pay?
Had heard rumors of Captains who upgrade start at year 1 pay. Displaced Captains also come back to the left seat at year one pay.. Any truth to that?
Do you still get block or better?

Thanks and good luck!

 

[ex j-41]

Some quick Highlights:

9% pay cut (more if above 12 years)
12 year Captain longevity cap
4 year FO longevity cap
50% 401K match up to 10%
cash payout from $2000-$26000 upon exit from bankruptcy
No flow but single day expedited interview/hiring process (2 chances)
Delta hires a certain number of 9E outside of this program as well
Mesaba flow stays intact
Some medical and furlough payouts
Health care pretty much unchanged
7.5 year guarantee for 81 900's with Richard Andersons signature on it
likely 9E becomes whole owned of Delta
Same min day of 4 hours
Some give up a week of vacation for 2014
Contract still way above lowest competitors
Delta airlines becomes involved in grievance process
5% of trips can be 5 day worth 25 hours
Probably less 150% open time, same junior man pay though
Profit sharing

Lee Moawk was instrumental in the whole deal.

PSA Rates

Captain
Year 1 $67.12
Year 10 $86.70
Year 18 $104.29

F/O
Year 1 $24.86
Year 5 $41.18
Year 8 $43.13

5 day trips? Talk about making life difficult for your families. Delta obviously doesn't care about you or your family. Discusting

 

[Monster Buck]

PSA Rates

Captain
Year 1 $67.12
Year 10 $86.70
Year 18 $104.29

F/O
Year 1 $24.86
Year 5 $41.18
Year 8 $43.13

5 day trips? Talk about making life difficult for your families. Delta obviously doesn't care about you or your family. Discusting

Major airlines do trips up to 12 days. Even on the DC9 there are 5 days at mainline.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

They're gonna shut down Pinnacle anyway. If that isn't clear from the TA then I don't know what is.

They need 7.5 years to get all other DCI carriers "in line". 2,000+ should be voting "no", but we all know what will happen. The time it takes to get a fraction of the list through the "bridge" program will see Pinnacle no longer in existence anyhow. What is Delta gonna say-- "Oh, you're on long-term leave from a company that has been liquidated? Sure, come in for an interview!" The only pilots who should vote "yay" are maybe the top 500. Everyone else? Buenas Suertes

Delta isn't trying to screw the PCL pilots alone, it's the entire DCI "portfolio". (UA and US and AA to follow.)

 

[Monster Buck]

I wonder how the signing bonus will change things. You sign you get a bonus check and can take a leave, with pay, insurance and take a job at another commuter. Say no, lose job for sure, no bonus check, pay or insurance. I'm not so sure as many will see that and vote no as some think.

You could vote yes and get the money or vote no and get pushed out with nothing. I'm betting more will be swayed by this.

 

[FOrever85]

Havent heard how long you might get stuck with this turd..
Also any duty rigs?
What about deadhead pay?
Had heard rumors of Captains who upgrade start at year 1 pay. Displaced Captains also come back to the left seat at year one pay.. Any truth to that?
Do you still get block or better?

Thanks and good luck!

7 years
deadhead and duty stays the same.
all the captain stuff you mention is not true, but could be if it is rejected and they refile the 1113c. (i know they said they wouldn't but they are compulsive liars)

pay is awful, and really screws the fo and soon to be Fo's

It will actually have a better time passing if we really are just getting shut down. There are a lot of incentives for furloughees. Pay outs, extended health and travel benefits and unemployment. Furloughees will still he getting paid for 3 months and then can collect unemployment.
Delta preferred hiring with class quotas.

If this were a normal contract it would be a no brainer. Unfortunately, we have to decide whether this piece of ******************** is better or worse than a forced bankruptcy contract.

 

[Clutch]

There are better opportunities out there with better pay and hours.. Consider doing something else before you sell out.

 

[mesaba13]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with. Delta management, ALPA, and 9E management gave high praise to the Pinnacle Pilot group for their professional conduct throughout this. Senior management at Delta has defied the "Comair" logic by saying we will likely be owned by them and we will be operated differently than the status quo. This is very evident by all of the sharp Mesaba management personnel that have been put in very key positions in this new organization. Delta will invest 200 million dollars in us in the near future. Why would they shift any flying away from this entity to SkyWest or anyone else once it is steady state all 900 fleet 2-3 years from now?

We can shut down and take nothing or keep going for another 7.5 years with a lot of movement as hiring is starting everywhere. We have already seen 60 pilots leave in a single month before much hiring at the legacies even started. Downgraded captains have a great shot at getting on with Delta because of the quotas outside the SSP but also because a fair number of lifers may not make it though the SSP or elect to take it because they feel that another guaranteed 7.5 years gets them close enough to punching out. There will not be as many furloughs as everyone seems to think.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

This is way different than Comair. We will become a highly efficient single fleet airline that will be very lean and mean and difficult to compete with.

Read 'cheapest wh___s on the street'

 

[Clutch]

"We get paid dirt.... But our company is lean and mean and cheap."

You're pathetic.