SWAPA wants all FAPA Pilots

[Red Baron]

FWIW,
Gary spoke to pilots at BWI yesterday. I asked a pilot who attended if Gary mentioned anything about Lynx. Gary said that Lynx will be a part of the acquisition. We have to take them to sweeten the deal. As far as the future of Lynx, he gave no definitive answer as to what we will do with them if we get the bid.

RB

 

[waveflyer]

Don't you think there are a lot of markets Swa doesn't serve with the 737 that could be opened up with the Q400? that's why it's so important to get Lynx in on the same pilot list and at the same pay-maybe Swa ends up liking the Q400 and it represents a lot of growth. After the last decade- it's a possibility that is worth the windfall this small group of pilots would be getting.

 

[T B O N E]

Nervana

Probies NEVER buy a beer during the first year...........NEVER!

Now your talking "quality of life"

 

[T B O N E]

Lynx / SWA Mins

I am still not too thrilled about this Lynx stuff. We cannot let this slip under the radar. I do not want small planes under the SWA name....at the same time unless "we" SWAPA are flying them...for the same pay rates as the 737. If a 1st year guy at lynx is brought on board here they are getting a well over 100% increase in pay.....I am also curious how SWA mins are being considered in this whole mess. At lynx it looks like it is 1000 total and 100 Multi.....the insurance can't possible allow this....

Insurance? Really? C' mon

Not really sure what the mins are at Lynx. The "average" in my class was 5000 hrs+. It’s a good group of guys/gals. I must admit I'm happy to be associated with them. All have 121 experience or military, one is in the current SWA pool.

I understand the pensive pondering about a smaller plane, believe me.
I just hope to hell we have a job after this all shakes out. For me, flying for or being stapled to the SWA list would be like going from poverty to the penthouse in one day. Don't get me wrong, I love my job! But a chance to fly for SWA at this juncture is amazing.

Just my opinion....

 

[slaquer5]

..I am also curious how SWA mins are being considered in this whole mess. At lynx it looks like it is 1000 total and 100 Multi.....the insurance can't possible allow this....

Brother i would not be to concerned with that, the best pilots I have flown with are the mesaba and skyway pilots. I am sure lynx pilots would be the same.

 

[Cometman]

Insurance? Really? C' mon

Not really sure what the mins are at Lynx. The "average" in my class was 5000 hrs+. It’s a good group of guys/gals. I must admit I'm happy to be associated with them. All have 121 experience or military, one is in the current SWA pool.

I understand the pensive pondering about a smaller plane, believe me.
I just hope to hell we have a job after this all shakes out. For me, flying for or being stapled to the SWA list would be like going from poverty to the penthouse in one day. Don't get me wrong, I love my job! But a chance to fly for SWA at this juncture is amazing.

Just my opinion....

Hopefully all the other pilots at F9 and Lynx think the same as you. It is a great opportunity that will only happen once in your life time. You are being honest. However, some people will say that you are being honest because you are with Lynx not F9. There is no difference, F9 is on life support right now.

 

[cale42]

I think T-Bone hit the Lynx feeling exactly on the head. We all know it would be a windfall beyond belief, and would be extremely grateful.

The bottom 2/3's of our FO list has all been hired during this economic downturn meaning pretty much all were prior 121 or military. I would guess average time in that bottom 2/3 is 4000+ it is at least 10% ex military, and many have significant turbine PIC.

I say this not to in any way imply that it wouldn't still be possibly the greatest windfall in the history of aviation just to assuage some fears that SWA would be be getting green pilots.

cale

 

[Whine Lover]

" SWA and F9 currently fly to 30 of the same cities from Denver. If SWA owns F9, they (F9) surely will not continue to operate all of those flights. "

Bingo. SWA will operate those flights.

Good Luck.


YKW

 

[huronip]

Now your talking "quality of life"

I bought plenty flying out of PHX on probation. Never in DAL or HOU.

 

[fiel12]

I bought plenty flying out of PHX on probation. Never in DAL or HOU.

Sorry, double post.

 

[fiel12]

I bought plenty flying out of PHX on probation. Never in DAL or HOU.

Cheapskates! That deserves a call to professional standards.

 

[FBN0223]

Not really sure what the mins are at Lynx. The "average" in my class was 5000 hrs+. It’s a good group of guys/gals. I must admit I'm happy to be associated with them. All have 121 experience or military, one is in the current SWA pool. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Yeah, I know a few guys over at Lynx. All have decent experience. One of the guys was a Captain at Big Sky for several years. They are good guys and would fit in well at Southwest.

 

[starchkr]

If i remember right, when Lynx went looking for pilots they didn't go looking for the bottom of the barrel like some of the regionals do. They required some good times for applications and they chose only the best.

 

[Porch]

Many ZW BAe-146 Capt's with 15K-20K+ flight hours are working for Lynx b/c they didn't want to commute to PHL.... there's some good sticks over there. Lots of WOM/referral's to get get hired, most are great guys. Most of the guys I know that got hired were regional RJ Capt's, same reason... commuting

 

[Whine Lover]

" the best pilots I have flown with are the mesaba and skyway pilots."

Yes. They are The Best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgFLPzOMMt0


Unlike ALL the BEST PILOTS that came BEFORE THEM:

- PanAM

- Eastern

- Braniff

- TWA

- Ozark

- Frontier

- Allegheny

- ETC,.

They were "The BEST".


Love,

YKMKR

 

[Porch]

Were all the same, trained the same way... its the attitude that matters anymore

 

[luv2fly]

Talking with my buddy today he said Lynx has at least 2 FO's that he knows of that got fired from Mesa! Can't wait!

 

[Rook]

Brother i would not be to concerned with that, the best pilots I have flown with are the mesaba and skyway pilots. I am sure lynx pilots would be the same.

Beer's on me if you ever end up in DTW Captain. Thanks.:beer:

 

[FL250]

It is hard to say EXACTLY how all of this if going to unfold. As we saw with TA-1/09, It is going to be a real challenge for Gary to make happy, such a large pilot group, across the board. With that said, I have great faith that both SWA and SWAPA will pull things together and make this happen so that everyone comes out on top! There is no doubt that our management views acquisition of Frontier as a mode of future growth and prosperity for the company. In the end, of course, the Company has to be the real winner.

A little over 5 years ago I landed my dream job here at SWA after 20 years in the Navy. Just the other day while passing through Dallas, I got to shake Herb's hand as he cracked a big smile and grabbed a big bear hug from Colleen. It's truly a big family here. I'm extremely proud to be a part of Southwest and have thoroughly enjoyed flying along side every single Captain from day one. Despite the occasional negative publicity rendered by postings from a very few of our members here on this website, SWA is the best job any of you will ever have in this business, trust me.

To everyone: Try not to let the rumors and speculations sway your opinion of this deal as you await the final plan as it unfolds. Have some faith in the system.....I think you will like your piece of the pie in the end.

To all of our Frontier brothers out there: Lets make this work so we can all be on the same team! I look forward working alongside everyone of you. Transitions are never fun, but in the end, you are really gonna LUV it here!

 

[dougdrvr]

Talking with my buddy today he said Lynx has at least 2 FO's that he knows of that got fired from Mesa! Can't wait!

Depending on what it was for, it could be a badge of honor

 

[Porch]

Talking with my buddy today he said Lynx has at least 2 FO's that he knows of that got fired from Mesa! Can't wait!

What doesn't kill ya, makes you stronger... I know of a bunch of dudes fired from there. They must be cool!

 

[luv2fly]

Depending on what it was for, it could be a badge of honor

Very True!

 

[bmxandjets]

what about all the SWA poolies..? we gonna take a back seat to the Frontier dudes you think? my timing sucks..

 

[Tejas-Jet]

what about all the SWA poolies..? we gonna take a back seat to the Frontier dudes you think? my timing sucks..

Thats a good question......?

 

[Cometman]

It appears that a large percentage of people on this site agree that if SWA wins the bid they could operate F9 as a seperate company. This is assuming that the SWA union SWAPA agrees with that. Now lets also assume that SWAPA gives the company a go ahead with the purchase and they will allow SWA to operate it as a stand alone for up to 2 years (or whatever period of time). During this time SWA gradually eliminates the Air Bus and the flying is picked up by SWA with the 737. F9 employees will be let go and they will have the option of interviewing with SWA. Naturally they will be on the bottom of the list.

If this can be done why would SWA do anything but this. It will not cost them the added pay protection, benefits etc. and no regulations involved.

This would be easier and cheaper than a staple with all the other benefits.

I do not think that the regulations prohibit a company from purchasing another company and operating them as 2 seperate companies. If anybody has a differnt opion please sate it. Otherwise Republic would be one company instead of several differnt companies operating seperately?

 

[Dan Roman]

Talking with my buddy today he said Lynx has at least 2 FO's that he knows of that got fired from Mesa! Can't wait!

1)You are aware that it is very common for pilots to make up those kind of things, especially coincidental when SWA is looking at F9 and a lot of pilots will make things up to suit their own personal agenda?
2) Even if true, getting fired from Mesa may say more about the type of operation Mesa is rather than anything about the pilot.

 

[Cometman]

1)You are aware that it is very common for pilots to make up those kind of things, especially coincidental when SWA is looking at F9 and a lot of pilots will make things up to suit their own personal agenda?
2) Even if true, getting fired from Mesa may say more about the type of operation Mesa is rather than anything about the pilot.

I agree with you.

 

[GuppyWN]

I know one a$$hold at F9 that was fired from WN. I'd sure like for him to jerk gear for me. See you soon Jimmy boy!

Gup

 

[PCL_128]

It appears that a large percentage of people on this site agree that if SWA wins the bid they could operate F9 as a seperate company. This is assuming that the SWA union SWAPA agrees with that. Now lets also assume that SWAPA gives the company a go ahead with the purchase and they will allow SWA to operate it as a stand alone for up to 2 years (or whatever period of time). During this time SWA gradually eliminates the Air Bus and the flying is picked up by SWA with the 737. F9 employees will be let go and they will have the option of interviewing with SWA. Naturally they will be on the bottom of the list.

If this can be done why would SWA do anything but this. It will not cost them the added pay protection, benefits etc. and no regulations involved.

This would be easier and cheaper than a staple with all the other benefits.

I do not think that the regulations prohibit a company from purchasing another company and operating them as 2 seperate companies. If anybody has a differnt opion please sate it. Otherwise Republic would be one company instead of several differnt companies operating seperately?

No regulations prohibit it, but the FAPA scope language does, and SWA would be required to adhere to the language unless they got FAPA to waive it. If SWA slowly started getting rid of F9 airplanes and using the old gates, slots, ramp workers, or anything for their use, then the scope clause kicks in and requires an integration.

 

[4 Fan Trashcan]

what about all the SWA poolies..? we gonna take a back seat to the Frontier dudes you think? my timing sucks..

We'll know more on Tuesday I guess. I'm sure that SWA remembers the guys and gals who met the 1000 or 1300 PIC mins, got the type (the majority in last round), interviewed and then started smoking a pack a day while waiting for either the letter or call. But bidness is bidness. My thought is that IF (big IF) there are classes in the next 2 years while F9 is operating separately, then there's a glimmer of hope that the pool could get drained before the staple/SLI/whatever happens.