SWAPA NC resigns

[scoreboardII]

Direct from CK the sheeple:
Our NC resigned this week after over four years of long, demanding work

Sweet. Nothing like giving up half-way through. No wonder the TA sucked.

 

[FDJ2]

Direct from CK the sheeple:
Our NC resigned this week after over four years of long, demanding work

Sweet. Nothing like giving up half-way through. No wonder the TA sucked.

They worked four years to get the TA, they forward the TA to the membership as the best they could do, the membership rejects the TA as not good enough, you state it "sucked", after that rebuke what do you expect them to do? The right thing to do is resign and allow those who think there is more meat on the bone an opportunity to go get it.

If the TA "sucked", why would you want them as your negotitors? Obviously you think the product they produced after four years was far below expectations. Why not volunteer yourself to fill their shoes?

 

[jhill]

They worked four years to get the TA, they forward the TA to the membership as the best they could do, the membership rejects the TA as not good enough, you state it "sucked", after that rebuke what do you expect them to do? The right thing to do is resign and allow those who think there is more meat on the bone an opportunity to go get it.

If the TA "sucked", why would you want them as your negotitors? Obviously you think the product they produced after four years was far below expectations. Why not volunteer yourself to fill their shoes?

Well said Sir!

 

[mynameisjim]

Wow, that's some professionalism right there. They came up with a TA that failed by a few percent and they give up? Wimps.

 

[737lj]

The views expressed...

Direct from CK the sheeple:
Our NC resigned this week after over four years of long, demanding work

Sweet. Nothing like giving up half-way through. No wonder the TA sucked.

The views expressed by this no talent - a$$ clown do not reflect the rest of the group.

Scoreboard, why don't you volunteer to assist the new NC. Then you'll actually get closer to seeing the big picture.

Another wasted seniority number...

LJ

 

[RDG]

The views expressed by this no talent - a$$ clown do not reflect the rest of the group.

Scoreboard, why don't you volunteer to assist the new NC. Then you'll actually get closer to seeing the big picture.

Another wasted seniority number...

LJ

The views expressed by this mud-slinging moron do not reflect the rest of the group.

Usually when the going gets tough, we toughen up and get 'er done. We don't just quit in a huff.

Another wasted seniority number...

 

[DH2WN]

YEAH!!!! NC was completely out of touch. Best they could do well then now we can get people who can do a good job.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Well that should make all the barn burners happy. After all, they were calling for the resignation of the BoD AND the NC.
I think FDJ is spot on. I believe the old saying "damned if you do, damned if you don't" applies here.
So to everyone that knocked CK for his "great challenges ahead" comment, I guess it now begins.


SLC

 

[afhercdriver]

Direct from CK the sheeple:
Our NC resigned this week after over four years of long, demanding work

Sweet. Nothing like giving up half-way through. No wonder the TA sucked.

Put me in Coach!!

 

[AlbieF15]

Outsider's perspective, but if the product didn't meet the muster of over half the pilot force maybe a fresh perspective is a good thing. Doesn't mean the guys leaving are "wimps", or bad guys in any way, shape, or form. However, they obviously don't have the pulse of the masses so moving on might be best for everyone.

Having been a rock thrower at another carrier for a while, I can tell you union work is the classic committee work. Every individual input matters, but no one individual can ever do anything alone. Its slow, slogging, frustrating work at times. Personally, I think a certain amount of turnover is good for both the membership and the union. The union gets fresh blood and perspective periodically, and MORE pilots are involved which increases their exposure to the ins and outs of union work. If you sit back all the time and let "those union guys..." do all your work, odds are they'll end up out of touch and the line pilots won't like the product. For the union to be "us", we have to step up here and there and offer our services. Otherwise, the company is "them", the union is "them", and nobody ever is satisfied.

 

[PCL_128]

They worked four years to get the TA, they forward the TA to the membership as the best they could do, the membership rejects the TA as not good enough, you state it "sucked", after that rebuke what do you expect them to do? The right thing to do is resign and allow those who think there is more meat on the bone an opportunity to go get it.

If the TA "sucked", why would you want them as your negotitors? Obviously you think the product they produced after four years was far below expectations. Why not volunteer yourself to fill their shoes?

I'm not sure that I agree. Had the TA failed by a large margin I could see your point, but the TA failed by less than 1%. That's an indication to me that the current NC should go back to the table and fix the few items that the pilots are unhappy with. With such a close vote, I'd bet that a few small adjustments to scope, lance CAs, and ELITT would yield a landslide ratification vote. But with the resignation of the NC, they'll now be set back by 6+ months, most likely.

 

[freightdogfred]

I don't work for LUV, ain't got a dog in this fight (sorry mike vick) but I'd say the company crafted a damn fine document there, only failing by 1%. A little tweaking here and there, send back out to the boyz with a little more spin on it, and it'll pass by 1%, which is all they need, but more importantly all they really want.

A grass roots truly national union is the only thing that's gonna save this profession, IMHO.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Why not go back and make more than 51% happy your objective, instead of just turning the ********************s into a hard one, make it a piece of cake that we can all eat.

 

[njcapt]

Direct from CK the sheeple:
Our NC resigned this week after over four years of long, demanding work

Sweet. Nothing like giving up half-way through. No wonder the TA sucked.

CK bugs the crap out of me, but your bile directed at the NC is out of line since it's customary for a NC to resign after a failed TA. CK meddled with the Committee and undermined their work and the process, how are they supposed to go back to the table and extract significant gains from the company? As miserable and time consuming as it is, it's best to enpanel a new Committee and leave all the old baggage behind.

 

[GuppyWN]

The NC did not seek what the membership wanted! Plain and simple. Ask your reps what the polling showed about an entirely new open time system. Ask your reps what the membership said about raises. Ask you reps what the membership said about ELITT.

The membership didn't ask for the changes we received.

If the NC isn't going to abide by the polling data then they needed to quit.

Either that or when TA2 comes out just as bad Carl can say "see I told you so."

Gup