SWAPA is a joke

[Whataburger]

I think its up to 40 years of profits, but, your'e on a roll with that who bombed Pearl harbor thing.

The Germans?

 

[CMonBoard]

Well, at least I'm hearing the Airtran FOs won't be paying for their type rating. That's like getting a $6,000 bonus right off the bat! Wow, what's not to LUV. That's worth a couple numbers right there.

 

[Fubijaakr]

As a former Eastern guy, I have seen his type before. My gut feeling is he's a currently a tranny. Formally Valuejet.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, Ace. I was on active duty when the EAL debacles went down. Don't work for AAI either, but you just keep dreaming.

BTW, if you're going to insult someone, you should know how to spell it.

I was thinking the same thing. This dribble could only come from a line jumper.

Swing and a miss! The only line jumpers I see are SWA F/Os.

 

[scoreboardII]

Swing and a miss! The only line jumpers I see are SWA F/Os.

Sorry ace, when the list comes out, nobody jumps anything, it's mutually agreed upon, nice try though making it look like SWA FO's control the deal.

 

[Fubijaakr]

....nobody jumps anything, it's mutually agreed upon, nice try though making it look like SWA FO's control the deal.

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.

When the company talks about shrinkage, you don't think they're going to park 737s do you?

You may not control the deal, but you junior SWA f/os are the ones getting the GIANT seniority windfall. And with that windfall comes the upgrade financial windfall as well.

The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

 

[Empennage]

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.

When the company talks about shrinkage, you don't think they're going to park 737s do you?

You may not control the deal, but you junior SWA f/os are the ones getting the GIANT seniority windfall. And with that windfall comes the upgrade financial windfall as well.

The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

I assumed since you are so engaged on a matter which you are not directly involved in, you would have some remarkable knowledge on the aip. It's becoming quite obvious, however, you simply do no understand the negotiated agreement and the complexities it takes into consideration.

Sitting there and focusing only on one group who is impacted by the aip is like the fed govt saying we don't have enough revenue.

I respect your right to freedom of speech but pointing out the same thing over and over again without pointing to the overall picture has a negative outcome on what you are attempting to illustrate. It's falling on deaf ears.

I'd be happy to point out other groups who also have a negative impact from the aip.

 

[Sacha]

Fubar,

If you are not Valuejet, and you are not Southwest. Who then do you fly for that makes you so bitter, angry and verging on hysterical? Is this merger outcome really any business of yours?

I just had breakfast with a Delta bud and we were laughing about the few guys like you that we have known over the years. We met at Eastern and then got hired at Usair just as they were merging three great airlines Piedmont, Usair and PSA. The guys from all those airlines were (are) awesome. Sadly, they took 3 great airlines and turned it into one big not so great airline. We got furloughed after one year and shortly thereafter he ended up at Delta,myself at Southwest. As we reflected back on our careers and all of our friends and our own fathers who have been involved virtually every merger,buyout bankruptcy,strike that you can think of since the early 70's, we came to the conclusion that virtually everyone who enters this business is going to believe they got screwed somehow, someway. Some multiple times. The airline business like Capitalism isn't always fair but me and my Delta bud wouldn't have done it any other way. Both our fathers tried to talk us out of aviation as a career giving us a clear picture of difficulties an airline pilot had faced from just after WW2 until the mid 70's when we started flying. We knew it wasn't going to always be fair. That's why we chose to walk the picket line as opposed to scabbing at Eastern. Then we moved on without anger and bitterness about OUR situation. We certainly didn't get wrapped around the axle about OTHER peoples situations that we were not a part of. We have our opinions, but we wouldn't THINK of ever going on a thread about USAIR/America West where we have a lot of friends at both and rant and rave about fair/unfair, right and wrong.

 

[waveflyer]

A rational voice of experience. Nice post sacha

 

[scoreboardII]

Nobody jumps anything? Tell it to the 650 AAI f/os who are getting stapled, banned from upgrading for a decade AND become instant furlough fodder when SWA dumps the 717s.
The AAI MEC and pilots are some serious knuckleheads if they vote for this AIP POS.

You have now proven your ignorance of the deal and it's furlough provisions.

Ignore list;Fubijaakr

 

[waveflyer]

Hey fubi- you're clearly a troll- but are you saying that IF GK dumps the 717's, that furloughs from that should come from any other place than the air tran pilots?? How does that make sense in your world.
And as for apples to oranges. SWA is one of the most successful, award winning CORPORATIONS in history. Career expectations cannot and should not be defined in a similar way as previous M&As.
As I said before, a great many of us, knowingly gave up widebody legacies and prioritized a better, more ethical, more financially sound company over International flying.
And I don't see the red herring in the Atlas comment above. Clearly, there is more to career choice than the size of plane.

 

[dicko]

Well, at least I'm hearing the Airtran FOs won't be paying for their type rating. That's like getting a $6,000 bonus right off the bat! Wow, what's not to LUV. That's worth a couple numbers right there.

We didnt meet the SWA guys going through 717 training with a credit card machine either. We're even.

It was suggested though .....

 

[SKC]

I think its up to 40 years of profits, but, your'e on a roll with that who bombed Pearl harbor thing.

Close. 38 profitable years. The first two didn't return a profit.

 

[ivauir]

My career expectations were to upgrade at some point prior to the tricentennial. So no, expectations not met.

I guess you can choose between a 53% pay raise in April or roll the dice.

You are young enough that it might be worth the gamble. I mean the ISL screws you so badly you'll be number 2 at an airline that didn't even hire you. Surely you will do better in arbitration!

Surely you'll get at least Delta wide body pay for "Boeing's RJ"!

Surely your Atlanta base will be protected in arbitration!

All kidding aside what do you really think you'll accomplish in arbitration? I know you are preaching that the ISL and the contractual benefits are separate ... but Gary Kelly says you are wrong. He has the check book so you might want to listen.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Sitting there and focusing only on one group who is impacted by the aip is like the fed govt saying we don't have enough revenue..

Actually, we don't, but that's for another thread.

Is this merger outcome really any business of yours?

Actually, it is. Because it could set a precedent for SLI mergers down the road.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Hey fubi- you're clearly a troll- but are you saying that IF GK dumps the 717's, that furloughs from that should come from any other place than the air tran pilots?? How does that make sense in your world.

No, I'm saying WHEN the 717s are dumped, the furloughs will come EXCLUSIVELY from ex-AAI pilots under this AIP since they'll be the bottom 650.

So let's talk windfalls...SWA f/os get furlough protection, a decade of Capt. upgrades with associated pay increases, 1.25 override to fly with ex-AAI Capts.

No arbitrator would ever give you guys that much. Sorry.

And as for apples to oranges. SWA is one of the most successful, award winning CORPORATIONS in history. Career expectations cannot and should not be defined in a similar way as previous M&As....And I don't see the red herring in the Atlas comment above. Clearly, there is more to career choice than the size of plane.

But it wasn't always so. SWA used to be a regional with 737s that you had to buy a type rating to get an interview.

Sure, you're on top of the world now, but so was UAL in 1992. And here comes SWA announced shrinkage. How soon before you can't brag that you never furloughed before.

But, I guess that's alright with you since it'll be AAI f/os who get the axe.

And are you really that obtuse about the widebody reference? That applied to a NWA/Republic merger sceanario. Career expectations refers to upgrading to widebody aircraft in a merger.

You guys are just using it to grind the AAI guys under your heel. But stapling is the historical way SWA has always dealt with mergers, so its not unexpected.

 

[Sacha]

Fubar,

Who do you fly for? Really. I believe that you won't honestly tell us because if you do many of us here can point out a not so great SLI in your airlines history. Secondly, why would you care about any airlines Southwest bought in the past since as you say until recently we have been nothing more than a regional airline. Surely any "precedent"
we may have set could never have had any effect on a "First world, wide-body, international airline" that I am certain you sit in the left seat for. Please. Tell us all.

By the way. In an earlier post you called all of us at Southwest a bunch of "overpaid, third world jet jockeys". Okay..... Im alright with that. But what would you then call all of the Airtran guys and gals that you are supposedly so concerned about?

Ace....I think the emperor has no clothes and in your case I think he has an ugly past and is a nasty,arrogant sob who is bitter about his career, past,present and future and wants everyone else to be wallowing in the same misery. I honestly feel sorry for any poor crew member that has to put up your BS. Hopefully you are not the Skipper.

Now do everyone a favor and go analyze the Republic SLI...or United...or Usair or.......

 

[scoreboardII]

No, I'm saying WHEN the 717s are dumped, the furloughs will come EXCLUSIVELY from ex-AAI pilots under this AIP since they'll be the bottom 650.

You are not even reading the agreement are you?

Your statement is patently false and counter to the AIP, in fact the first to go are about 200 or so SWA shortly thereafter another 200 AT (post announcement pilots) then 1 for 1. Exclusively? Hardly.

 

[EngineThunder]

Fubar,

Who do you fly for? Really. I believe that you won't honestly tell us because if you do many of us here can point out a not so great SLI in your airlines history. Secondly, why would you care about any airlines Southwest bought in the past since as you say until recently we have been nothing more than a regional airline. Surely any "precedent"
we may have set could never have had any effect on a "First world, wide-body, international airline" that I am certain you sit in the left seat for. Please. Tell us all.

By the way. In an earlier post you called all of us at Southwest a bunch of "overpaid, third world jet jockeys". Okay..... Im alright with that. But what would you then call all of the Airtran guys and gals that you are supposedly so concerned about?




Ace....I think the emperor has no clothes and in your case I think he has an ugly past and is a nasty,arrogant sob who is bitter about his career, past,present and future and wants everyone else to be wallowing in the same misery. I honestly feel sorry for any poor crew member that has to put up your BS. Hopefully you are not the Skipper.

Now do everyone a favor and go analyze the Republic SLI...or United...or Usair or.......

He flies for alaska

 

[Fubijaakr]

Sacha,

Wow. 3 whole posts. You're the man. Guess you don't know everything, eh, Sport?

Funny how you got you're panties in a knot so fast. 3 posts. Amazing.

I guess you missed the whole idea. I commend SWA pilots for being the highest paid 737 pilots in the U.S. You raise the bar for all of us. However, the point was, for your edification, the 737 is the entry level jet in the 3rd world.

So why are you so arrogant? Because you get a big paycheck? Go buy a big watch.

 

[ASADFW7]

Nurses in Canada knew this about pilots, the bigger the watch the smaller the ... just saying. Cheers.

 

[Sacha]

Fubar,

The question still stands. Who do you work for? Arrogance oozes from every one of your posts. Nice try on spinning it. Please go troll on some other airlines SLI.
If in fact you do work for Alaska do everyone a favor and go down to Chilkoot Charlies
or Humpys and show the same attitude. You would be a half frozen lump of flesh in a snowbank after the locals got done with you. But I sincerely doubt you do work for them
as Alaska used to have pretty high standards and you needed a lot of good recommendations from the guys. I know from reading your posts that you would have neither.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Wow, sacha. 4 posts now. Moving up in the world. Keep up the good fight.

 

[zonejumper]

Nurses in Canada knew this about pilots, the bigger the watch the smaller the ... just saying. Cheers.

FAs in the States know this as well.....

BTW, the air in this thread is thick with testosterone!

 

[scoreboardII]

However, the point was, for your edification, the 737 is the entry level jet in the 3rd world.

Which state owned airline is that with again? I can't remember cause I'm busy moving my HUGE un-3rd-worldly 401k fund.

 

[GuppyWN]

Ask Fubar what he flies.

Hint: It's an entry level jet in 3rd world countries.

Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

Wow, sacha. 4 posts now. Moving up in the world. Keep up the good fight.

Gotta start somewhere..

 

[Fubijaakr]

Hint: It's an entry level jet in 3rd world countries.

That's right. But, at least I recognize it. And I don't think the canyon blue paint on the outside somehow makes me superior to other 737 pilots.

Unlike the SWA f/os who post here...

 

[redflyer65]

Unbelievable how you quickly jumped to "General Lee" level so quickly. What year were you turned down?

 

[Fubijaakr]

Sorry, never applied. Didn't have the $8k to pay for a type rating to get an interview.

 

[waveflyer]

None of had the $$ for it- we scrapped and saved and prioritized it so we could work for a better company.

So I understand that swa wasn't always the best job- but at what point was it not the BEST COMPANY?

This past history stuff though is silly- swa has been the best passenger job for a decade- which is long enough- but the swa corporation has always been a premier spit to work at- and most pilots who left regret it to varying degrees depending on when they bailed.