SWAPA Info packet FEDEXed to all AirTran Pilots

[Ty Webb]

Wait a minute...you're excited that you NOW make as much as United? You are now comparing the new 'Southwest induced' AAI payscales to a bankrupt contract at United. Really? After comparing a Airtran Captain rate and a SW FO rate. (PS- the FO make more if you didn't look more closely)

It might be best that you not bring up anymore payrate comparisons, you obviously don't see how out of touch you appear with this stuff.

What GT1900 is saying is that UAL used to be the among the very highest paid pilots in the world, now an AirTran pilot makes more than they do, and he's right. Some of you guys don't seem to remember that prior to 2003, SWA pay was at the bottom of the majors. No guarantee that won't happen again; in fact- you can pretty much count on it.

 

[Ty Webb]

* insert sounds of crickets chirping instead of expected laughter[/Q

tongue in cheek.....bro.

and damned funny, too. :laugh:

 

[SWA/FO]

I hope you guys have NO say in the 717 rates.... I mean, since money has no importance to you. You better let SWAPA handle the big boy stuff . They will knock it out on the front 9 with Southwest management, DONE!

Its coming up to that "fork in the road" moment I talked about a few months ago. Like it or not :angryfire:bawling:. You either TRUST Southwest and prosper :beer: or roll the dice . Just reality.

I'm looking forward to flying with most of you. I don't care if Ty or PLC make it over, in fact I hope they don't, but it is a package deal, I guess.

:cartman:

 

[canyonblue]

Wow, unbelievable what is being said by a paranoid group that we a bringing over to join us at Southwest. I was told that this letter was a joint SWAPA/SWA mailing. Many of us worked at carriers that had bad management with evil intentions, we all knew Southwest didn't. If you are really that disgusted with the letter, let Gary Kelly know. If you don't have the gut's to do that, then shut the F up.

 

[madjack]

I wish the AAI MC had sent us material comparing the pay and benefits of the AAI CBA to SWA's CBA...that would have been an eye opener to MANY SWA pilots...

Ty, what do you want?: Your seat/seniority/and the better pay and benefits of the SWA CBA...you do realize in order for you to get all these things every SWA pilot would have to pay for it...how is that fair and equitable?...and don't you realize that the asking for it is only infuriating the SWA pilot group.

This is all a waste of time: A negotiated settlement will be hammered out, voted on...the MC and NC are meeting with SWA management next week and I assume it will be a meeting designed to "incentivise" the NC/MC to reach an agreement in the next 4 weeks so that the memberships can vote and we can start the integration SOONER than LATER.

GK has taken SWA down the road of "Growth through Acquisition"...his legacy is hanging on the success of this deal...I can think of many ways he can "grease the skids"...the main way is through pay protection...hypothetically speaking if a former AAI CP is pay protected and/or a senior SWA FO gets CP pay for being passed over for upgrade how can that be construed as unfair?...we are all going to have to give up something in this deal (it is not our fault, we can thank our CEOs, and it may be a brilliant play).

I view this package from SWAPA as info only and an informed AAI group is better than an uninformed group...

Here comes the great unknown: If we don't reach a negotiated settlement and the ISL is determined via arbitration...At this point I do not know what GK will do because we do not know what the arbitrators decision will be...do we want to take that risk? OYS and Gen (who have no skin in the game) are recommending that the AAI guys go to arbitration. Many have said that is the best route for the AAI pilots...I do not know what GK can/will do with the arbitrated list...I do know he REALLY wants a negotiated agreement...he wants to know what he is getting into vs the unknown of arbitration...

 

[Tripower455]

The current SWAPA contract guarantees us almost nothing in the long term. That is reality my friend. Why is that so hard for some people to understand? Contracts come and go with no guarantees, that's a fact, it's a snapshot in time. Seniority numbers don't come with an ammendable date, your contract does.

This isn't rocket science. Look at DAL/UAL/UsAir in 2001. Go back further and look at Pan Am, Eastern, Braniff and more recently, TWA. Bad things can happen to good airlines, it's a historical fact.

As someone who actually worked for 3 of the companies that you named above, I am amazed at your sense of entitlement.

Seniority isn't forever. Period. There are no guarantees in life, and when you get bought, there is a good chance you're seniority is going to be affected. In your case, you are getting a lot of tangible and immediate benefits when the lists are combined to soften the blow.

The "seniority is forever" argument is weak, at best, but can also be applied to us.

So we should give you guys OUR seniority, just in case something bad happens later, in addition to the great contract that you're gonna get IMMEDIATELY upon SLI?

I realize that you guys think you're bringing equal amounts of toys into the sandbox, but you're not.

Roughly 10% of your seniority list voluntarily left AAI to come to SW at the bottom of the list. Roughly 1/3 of your list had active apps on file at SW on 9/27/10. I'm sure that more than that have left to go other places as well. That very clearly says that this is not a merger of equals.

Why is that so hard to understand that we don't want our careers hurt by this acquisition?

 

[greenpilot]

I thought it was a nice welcome package. Some of the numbers were a little off, but I think it is nice to see what we can look forward to. I didn't feel that swapa or swa was trying to influence how I feel about the SLI. People need to relax. Our mc/nc are working together and will get things done one way or another. Remember we a going to be working together some day.

 

[Bob Dylan]

If I was a Southwest pilot, I would accept nothing less than a straight staple. Seniority is forever, just like the trannies always say. Their company got bought, you guys shouldn't lose ANY seniority over it.

 

[CaptWidgeon]

welcome gumby! d@mn it.

 

[Clyde Frog]

If you are really that disgusted with the letter, let Gary Kelly know. If you don't have the gut's to do that, then shut the F up.

You see Mr Blue, that's the job of our MC. They represent our interests and negotiate on our behalf as the process agreement states. This is clearly a problem for some to understand. We don't get involved on a personal basis, that's not the way it works. We'll continue to follow th PA all the way to arbitration if necessary. The veiled threats don't worry us, but please feel free to keep making them if it makes you feel better about the outcome.