SWAPA does not lose anything for the AAI raise

[The Victors]

Meant to say "moot", btw

 

[yoyoma]

Why do you guys at SWAPA think that because we are getting a pay raise that you need to gain something from that?

You are not lossing a dam think from AAI guys getting a pay bump from this merger.

For you to gain something we have to loose something. Big because you are three times the size. Stop picking on the little guys.

Now I know there are issues with retirements, and upgrades. Lets make a deal.


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Yes AAI grew faster and have young Captains..... but you guys got paid these last few years at the expense of growth rate. Both sides knew the types of companies we went to work for and the expectations in this business are fleeting. You roll the dice, and the chips fall where they may. You make your choices and thats that. Deserving has got nothing to do with it.

This merger was not to do the pilots any favors. This merger is good for both companies to compete in the market place and survive, and in that respect... that is what Airtran brings to the table. It is why you bought us. This is not a fire sale.

ok, assume for a minute aai bought southwest. then how would you feel about this? would you expect sw pilots to keep our seats, to get a huge raise (assuming you guys ever got a good contract).

there is a reason no swa pilot leaves for aai...

 

[JR Man]

Here is the first shoe to drop.



BY TIMOTHY W. MARTIN

ATLANTA—Southwest Airlines Co. will launch 15 daily flights from Atlanta starting in February, marking the Dallas-based carrier's first foray into the world's busiest airport, Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Monday.

 

[SELCAL checks]

Thank goodness for SL8

Thank you for calling the AirTran Airways Employee Newsline. This is Bob Jordan, AirTran Airways President, on Monday, August 22.

For those of you that normally listen to Gary’s Newsline as well, he is in Atlanta today participating in the Metro Atlanta Chamber’s “Insights on Leadership” series. I don’t want to spoil any surprises, but I think Gary might have a bit of news to share later today. I know he’s going to record a special Newsline this afternoon, probably sometime after 2 p.m. Central Daylight Time, with an update, so I encourage you to call back and listen for updates then. And I’m going to keep my Newsline short today, knowing that Gary will have some good updates for you a little later on.

Today, I want to focus primarily on the news last Thursday that the AirTran ALPA Master Executive Council (MEC), which represents our Pilots, voted to reject the Seniority List Integration Agreement. I’m very disappointed in the vote, especially since that means that neither the Southwest, nor the AirTran Pilots, will have the ability to vote and therefore have a say in the process. I do want to extend my heartfelt thanks to everyone that worked tirelessly to reach a proposed Agreement; especially the negotiating committees for both SWAPA and ALPA. The process was a difficult one, but one that led to a proposed Agreement that included Seniority List Integration and a generous economic offer from Southwest that facilitated the Seniority List Integration. And while some did not like it, it provided benefits for everybody which was the goal from the outset. Having failed to reach a negotiated Integrated Seniority List, the Process Agreement provides for Mediation as the next step and ultimately if needed, Binding Arbitration. The Agreement also provides that the Company will not participate in the Mediation process unless requested by either Merger Committee. And based on the economic realities we’re facing, it is Southwest’s current intent not to participate in any Mediation session until it has had time to reevaluate our current plans in light of economic realities.

As y’all know this is an extraordinarily tough business, one whose fortune’s can change very quickly. If you remember just last fall it appeared the economic recovery was taking hold and fuel prices were settling in at high but stable levels and just contrast that to today, I know you’ve all seen the just absolute parade of weak economic news the past 60 days. Fuel prices are up 40 percent, 4-0, compared to last year. And just earlier this month, Southwest reported consolidated second quarter results that included earnings down almost 50 percent compared to a year ago.

Those realities are affecting our business and our integration plans, and they just can’t be ignored. That said, we cannot let this setback destroy the positive momentum that we have all gained throughout the integration process. Or, cause us to lose our optimism for the future. I also want to remind you that we are all entitled to our own viewpoints, and even though we might disagree on certain topics at times, we must always be professional and respectful and practice the Golden Rule, which is to treat each other as you would wish to be treated. So let’s all keep our heads up, let’s focus our attention on moving forward with the best of intentions and attitudes, because I still believe we have a lot to look forward to.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Here is the first shoe to drop.



BY TIMOTHY W. MARTIN

ATLANTA—Southwest Airlines Co. will launch 15 daily flights from Atlanta starting in February, marking the Dallas-based carrier's first foray into the world's busiest airport, Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Monday.

Man, they sure threw that plan together in a hurry. I can't imagine putting this together in 4 days since last Thurs.

 

[Ty Webb]

Here is the first shoe to drop.



BY TIMOTHY W. MARTIN

ATLANTA—Southwest Airlines Co. will launch 15 daily flights from Atlanta starting in February, marking the Dallas-based carrier's first foray into the world's busiest airport, Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Monday.

Probably not the shoe you think it is . . . . .

 

[madjack]

Ty,

SWA jets with SWA pilots or AAI jets and AAI pilots...that is the shoe.

 

[400ADude]

Here is the first shoe to drop.



BY TIMOTHY W. MARTIN

ATLANTA—Southwest Airlines Co. will launch 15 daily flights from Atlanta starting in February, marking the Dallas-based carrier's first foray into the world's busiest airport, Chief Executive Gary Kelly said Monday.

It is SWA crews that will be doing it.

 

[SELCAL checks]

It's SWA metal.

 

[JT12345]

JT,

Resorting to name calling seems a bit uncalled for don't you think?

Stop calling us Tranny's. Never been to the doctor for a sex change.

 

[JT12345]

It is SWA crews that will be doing it.

They should have started in May. That would have been awesome to see after the signing.

 

[frqntflyr]

Stop calling us Tranny's. Never been to the doctor for a sex change.

JT,

Would you please do a search of all my post and quote ONE time I ever called AT pilots Trannys. I don't use insults to make a point. A simple apology would be nice for calling me an arrogant fu(k. Enjoy your day.

 

[JT12345]

JT,

Would you please do a search of all my post and quote ONE time I ever called AT pilots Trannys. I don't use insults to make a point. A simple apology would be nice for calling me an arrogant fu(k. Enjoy your day.

Sorry.

 

[frqntflyr]

thanks JT....best of luck

 

[JT12345]

You fail to acknowledge that your pilot group is MUCH younger due to lower hiring standards.

Now can you say I am just as good a person as you even though I do not work for Southwest (yet), and AAI requirements are different?

The word "different" would have been better because the average requirements are about the same. Awe what is the use.

 

[Double Shot]

I call the airtran pilots trannies. You is what You is.

 

[frqntflyr]

I'm sorry if you misconstrued my statement earlier as an insult. I started flying RJs at a very young age not because I sucked, but because I couldn't get hired at SWA yet. Once I acquired my PIC time I was able to move on as an older guy. I will be even older when I move to the left seat. I was just trying to point out the age of the group vs ours and why that may have occurred. Simple supply and demand. I apologize if it came across the wrong way. I have nothing against you or any other fellow pilots. I just wanted to point out the zero-sum game and what that would lead to in sec 6 bargaining next year and my thoughts on your MEC and their tactics. I do not think I am better than you.

 

[JT12345]

You make hollow arguments about bringing jets and growth, yet fail to acknowledge the contract, routes, bases, stability, and management relations (something you should REALLY appreciate) we bring to the table.

I never failed to acknowledge these things. You guys do it enough for me. So fine I acknowledge these things.

We all do at AAI. And I think we add to it.

 

[JT12345]

I'm sorry if you misconstrued my statement earlier as an insult. I started flying RJs at a very young age not because I sucked, but because I couldn't get hired at SWA yet. Once I acquired my PIC time I was able to move on as an older guy. I will be even older when I move to the left seat. I was just trying to point out the age of the group vs ours and why that may have occurred. Simple supply and demand. I apologize if it came across the wrong way. I have nothing against you or any other fellow pilots. I just wanted to point out the zero-sum game and what that would lead to in sec 6 bargaining next year and my thoughts on your MEC and their tactics. I do not think I am better than you.

There is a very good possibility I am older than you and will never see the left seat.

Just like I will never tell you what is a yes vote for me on this you wont get my age out of me

 

[JT12345]

Lets hug.


Guy hug... no touching below the waste.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Section Six

I thought the title of this thread was hilarious. I guess since the AIP (SL-9) is DOA we now know that GK has 2 billion dollars to give us in the next Section Six. Thanks Airtrannies! We really appreciate you doin' the heavy lifting on this one for us.

imp:

 

[frqntflyr]

Hug. That was nice.

 

[JT12345]

Shut up Room.

I am enjoying this moment with frqntflyr

Cant you read.

 

[frqntflyr]

Don't let them ruin the moment....back to your regular programming.

 

[stall022]

I have a solution that is a win win for everyone.

Since Southwest is guaranteeing that AT guys will earn an extra 2 million over their careers why not just buy them out. 2 million for each pilot, cash in small denominations is preferable. In exchange Southwest can do as it pleases with the group. That’s about 3.4 billion which is I believe close to what Southwest currently has in the bank. It's a great deal for everyone! or wait...this is the airline industry so NOTHING can be guaranteed.

 

[Sacha]

Probably not the shoe you think it is . . . . .

Ty,

See my post on the Swa new service thread. Let me know what you think.

 

[scoreboardII]

SL9 WAS the guarantee.

 

[Roomwithaview]

stall022

I have a solution that is a win win for everyone.

Since Southwest is guaranteeing that AT guys will earn an extra 2 million over their careers why not just buy them out. 2 million for each pilot, cash in small denominations is preferable. In exchange Southwest can do as it pleases with the group. That’s about 3.4 billion which is I believe close to what Southwest currently has in the bank. It's a great deal for everyone! or wait...this is the airline industry so NOTHING can be guaranteed.

That ship has sailed.

In case u missed it.

we have withdrawn our economic offer of support for the SLI package. Due to the worsened economic environment this summer, coupled with the fact that the SLI can no longer be expedited, we cannot afford the previous offer.

 

[madjack]

"Since Southwest is guaranteeing that AT guys will earn an extra 2 million over their careers why not just buy them out. 2 million for each pilot,"

As much as AAI pilots want handouts from SWA (in pay and seniority), you will have to earn that 2 mil...

 

[GuppyWN]

Lets hug.


Guy hug... no touching below the waste.

Does that mean a little grab ass is out?

Gup