SWAPA Comments about 717

[redflyer65]

AirTran pilots negotiated nothing. This was a "proposal" that came with ultimatums. We had absolutely no say in any of this. We were told to vote in favor or risk eventual unemployment. Not very conducive to fostering your "culture".

Now the record is set straight.

Dan and Clyde,

Are you saying your negotiating committee didn't come up with the first agreement? (The guys that worked for you.)

Or is it just easier to jump up and down and blame everyone else? Starting with SWAPA, then GK, then SC, etc, etc.

 

[FIREMAN]

Dan and Clyde,

Are you saying your negotiating committee didn't come up with the first agreement? (The guys that worked for you.)

Or is it just easier to jump up and down and blame everyone else? Starting with SWAPA, then GK, then SC, etc, etc.

They did not come up with AP1 that was also GK doing.

 

[Quiet Flight]

So if SWA throws a bone by giving all Air Tran pilots SWAPA pay now...

This is not going to happen. Might want to start thinking about that NMB petition...

 

[redflyer65]

They did not come up with AP1 that was also GK doing.

How many months did they meet with the SWAPA NC? Your saying AP1 was ALL GK? You've got to be kidding.

 

[easydoesit]

How about we push for SWAPA representation now!!!

 

[stall022]

It was the AirTran MEC that turned down what SWAPA called SL9. It was SL9 that would have given all AirTran pilots SW pay as of April of this year. Additionally AirTran would have kept all would have kept all of their Capts seats for as long as the AirTran pilots wanted it. So don't blame everything on SWA and SWAPA, your MEC had a hand in this as well. SWAPA was trying to get what was best for the current SWAPA pilots (if they didn't they would have been subject to a DFR lawsuit) and GK kept them in the dark about the 717s as AirTran. SWAPA was just better at reading SWA management than ALPA.

Yeah because ALPA Isn’t allowed to get the best deal it can for it’s pilots, It has to roll over and take whatever SWAPA is gracious enough to give them, Even if that agreement involves stapling half a pilot group to the bottom of a seniority list.

Airtran pilots PAY ALPA to fight for their pilot group because(if they didn't they would have been subject to a DFR lawsuit), Unfortunately GK stepped in and didn’t let the process continue, Then he wasn’t man enough to inform BOTH groups of his future plan that would hugely affect one pilot group.

 

[redflyer65]

Yeah because ALPA Isn’t allowed to get the best deal it can for it’s pilots, It has to roll over and take whatever SWAPA is gracious enough to give them, Even if that agreement involves stapling half a pilot group to the bottom of a seniority list.

Airtran pilots PAY ALPA to fight for their pilot group because(if they didn't they would have been subject to a DFR lawsuit), Unfortunately GK stepped in and didn’t let the process continue, Then he wasn’t man enough to inform BOTH groups of his future plan that would hugely affect one pilot group.

Stall,

Seriously, what did you expect? Pure realitive with immediate SW pay? Was that realistic?

 

[stall022]

Stall,

Seriously, what did you expect? Pure realitive with immediate SW pay? Was that realistic?

Not at all, I think most Airtran pilots only expected a fair and Equitable agreement negotiated by two pilot groups.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

How about we push for SWAPA representation now!!!

I don't understand the rush to be represented by a group that doesn't want us. I'd prefer to remain with ALPA until a significant majority of FAT guys have transitioned. I believe SWAPA leadership feels this way as well. They won't have us until they are either forced to or it is inevitable.

BTW, petitioning the NMB does not guarantee or even necessarily expedite the process.

 

[GoodTimes]

The SS SLI has sailed, folks.

Man up and move on.

 

[-9Capt]

Stall,

SWAPA/ALPA were never going to agree on a fair and equitable list. That's why we had a process agreement.

I expected SW to follow the process agreement, act honorably and see this to a logical conclusion. I guess that was expecting too much from a company that likes to talk about its culture and quote the golden rule.

 

[PCL_128]

Stall,

Seriously, what did you expect? Pure realitive with immediate SW pay? Was that realistic?

Again, pay parity should have been a given. As far as seniority, I think everyone here could have lived with DOH, even though it would have been a significant hit to relative seniority. I do agree that a straight relative seniority list would not have been equitable.

 

[Crash Pad]

35 pages of rinse and repeat. You guys must be a hoot to drink with.

 

[redflyer65]

Again, pay parity should have been a given. As far as seniority, I think everyone here could have lived with DOH, even though it would have been a significant hit to relative seniority. I do agree that a straight relative seniority list would not have been equitable.

Of course everyone over there could have lived with DOH. So in that scenerio, your saying that getting hired at Airtran was exactly equal to getting hired at SW. That's not meant as a slam on AAI, just framing your point of view.

Neither SWAPA or ALPA could have mandated pay parity. Only Gary could agree to that. He did the first time, then pulled his money off the table the second go around. That was his decision alone. He didn't come to SWAPA and ask us what we thought he should do, he decided himself.

 

[vixin]

-9 big boy Capt.,

Nice tag line. You may want to do a little research about what your ex CEO was saying about AAI. I am not going to re post all that yet again, but its obvious you are a 5% er at AAI.

You guys should have voted no and take your chances then. I like how its only OK for an AAI guy to be pissed about the deal but all SWA guys should be tickled pink about it. Grow up! Its done, move on. If you cant get the hell out and make your life better. Look at all you did get. Make the best of it. Bitching here isnt going to anything but send you to the grave sooner.