SWAPA Comments about 717

[Flyer1015]

Know one will get laid off.

So who is the one unlucky cat that you know will get laid off?

 

[PropPiedmont]

Maybe he meant that he "Gnu one that got laid off."

 

[humveedriver]

Man Lear is it that bad or just a few hot heads?

Generally speaking, I think the pilots are disgusted with the outcome of being bought by the airline that for years has been a role model of financial and worker relations success. Alot of expectations are not going to be met. It at least appears to us that the lions share of sacrifice is on our side of the partion (seniority, 717 and eventually the flying). Some are trying to see what the upside is going to be and not finding it. And going to work somewhere else isn't as easy alot people make it sound. Comparing our situation to the Morris guys, those guys were able to take advantage of the rapid growth SWA enjoyed and got back to the left seat in about 5 years. Many of our guys will be permanent FO's, all because SWA couldn't raise it's ticket prices without getting rid of us first. I know it just business. But there is a human element too and we were hoping the "one luv" theme was more than just a catch phrase of the hour.

 

[texman]

I understand and can see the frustration on the other side of the fence.

 

[texman]

So who is the one unlucky cat that you know will get laid off?

?????? Do you know?????

 

[madjack]

Its a merger, they suck for the labor groups....for all the angst on the AAI side remember we have former AAI Pilots here that will be junior to their former coworkers (former AAI CPs too), we have many FOs who will be displaced from MCO, BWI, DAL, HOU etc...and will have their upgrades delayed because they have former AAI pilots (who are younger) in front of them forever, we have pilots who bought type ratings ($8-10K, peanut butter sandwiches for a long time)...it sucks for everyone so man up, its a merger...

 

[texman]

Trying to through some humor in Thanks for the catch. I NO nothing. or is it throw?

 

[humveedriver]

Its a merger, they suck for the labor groups....for all the angst on the AAI side remember we have former AAI Pilots here that will be junior to their former coworkers (former AAI CPs too), we have many FOs who will be displaced from MCO, BWI, DAL, HOU etc...and will have their upgrades delayed because they have former AAI pilots (who are younger) in front of them forever, we have pilots who bought type ratings ($8-10K, peanut butter sandwiches for a long time)...it sucks for everyone so man up, its a merger...

Have you upgraded yet? I know you were close.

 

[madjack]

HVD,

Yes, at 10.5 years, I am lucky, but plan on being a reserve Cappy for years and possibly downgraded to FO again in 2015 (as a result of the 717's going away...less airframes)...I fly with a lot of 80-90K SWA FOs...they have some real issues on SL10 and the fallout of AAI pilots getting on the list ahead of them...

 

[fletch717]

Its a merger, they suck for the labor groups....for all the angst on the AAI side remember we have former AAI Pilots here that will be junior to their former coworkers (former AAI CPs too), we have many FOs who will be displaced from MCO, BWI, DAL, HOU etc...and will have their upgrades delayed because they have former AAI pilots (who are younger) in front of them forever, we have pilots who bought type ratings ($8-10K, peanut butter sandwiches for a long time)...it sucks for everyone so man up, its a merger...

Well so many. fo's wouldn't be displaced if SWA hadn't taken every capt seat, as for upgrading over an older SWA pilot, After a 30+ percent seniority loss. That argument doesn't really work. Remember we brought all of our seats with us. You didn't add 1700 pilots who needed a plane to fly.