SWAPA Comments about 717

[ASADFW7]

Hi this is the AAI-SWA SLI help line how can I help you?

 

[THEPRFCT10]

The upgrade calculator at SWAPA for me went from 13 years pre aquisition to 2027 (19 years) post aquisition!!! Nuff said.

 

[Lear70]

The upgrade calculator at SWAPA for me went from 13 years pre aquisition to 2027 (19 years) post aquisition!!! Nuff said.

Yup.

Like I said, many on both sides were affected negatively in this deal, some more than others, or in different ways. The only thing we can do is find the positives where we can, be thankful for what we have, and move on down the road.

Anything else just isn't productive or helpful.

 

[MILF Hunter]

Praying for more growth, organically, please.

That's exactly what we had been praying for over the last several years. No offense, but you can see how that turned out.

 

[JT12345]

Ummm, no, not really, no.

I made just shy of $100k last year and both of my friends at my same longevity at Southwest made $137k and 142k respectfully. They also were gone more days than I was from home (I average 18 days off, they average 16).

Lear is lazier than me.

I made over 112k last year. I have less years pay/seniority than him. I have commutable weekends off too and yeah I work hard at it.

Looking at 120-130k on reserve at SWA and my exposure to furlough is so much worse. Doubt I can even hold weekends all off on reserve overthere.

Double pay is a good joke though. Well maybe after a year here and they gut the fleet and I am on reserve at Airtran it will be double when I am back at guarantee pay? Nope still not close.

 

[j41driver]

Looking at 120-130k on reserve at SWA and my exposure to furlough is so much worse.

Not following you here...how could the furlough exposure be worse for you on the SWA side when one of the agreements (don't recall exactly which one) states that if furloughs become necessary, they are to happen on the AT side first?

 

[vixin]

Are those pre or post notice earnings and rates? I know, you guys were ready to strike and you would have gotten way better then your current rates and benefits.

J41 if he is one of he last to come over or close to the bottom afterwards then I guess his "exposure to fulough" may be worse.

 

[scoreboardII]

there is no real threat of furlough, but our extreme, yes extreme overmanning will be used against us this section 6.

 

[PCL_128]

How can you be overmanned with only 8% reserve coverage?

 

[humveedriver]

The article that Tex posted on another thread said 4% reduction in trips for 3rd quarter and 5% reduction of trips for 4th quarter. Not sure if those numbers are on top of regular seasonal drawdown or just the total off season drawdown.

 

[texman]

The article that Tex posted on another thread said 4% reduction in trips for 3rd quarter and 5% reduction of trips for 4th quarter. Not sure if those numbers are on top of regular seasonal drawdown or just the total off season drawdown.

I think they are. I will let y'all know

 

[redflyer65]

Ummm, no, not really, no.

I made just shy of $100k last year and both of my friends at my same longevity at Southwest made $137k and 142k respectfully.

Lear,

You make alot of good points and I agree with most of them, but when it comes to pay, these are the numbers. (and I'll use guarantee numbers on both sides...apples to apples)


AAI 6yr FO - 70hrs X 74 = 5180 (pre-SW)

SW 6yr FO - 79trips X 119 = 9400

I may have been off slightly but not by much. 82% increase in pay since Southwest stepped in.

The new AAI payscale is around 95/hr which got everyone alot closer to what you should have been paid to begin with. The repressive AAI management kept you guys way down and under their thumb for too long.

 

[PCL_128]

Our 2001 CBA pay rates are irrelevant.

 

[redflyer65]

PCL,

That's exactly what you were getting paid the day SW stated they were buying you.

How is that irrelevant?

 

[Lear70]

Lear,

You make alot of good points and I agree with most of them, but when it comes to pay, these are the numbers. (and I'll use guarantee numbers on both sides...apples to apples)


AAI 6yr FO - 70hrs X 74 = 5180 (pre-SW)

SW 6yr FO - 79trips X 119 = 9400

I may have been off slightly but not by much. 82% increase in pay since Southwest stepped in.

The new AAI payscale is around 95/hr which got everyone alot closer to what you should have been paid to begin with. The repressive AAI management kept you guys way down and under their thumb for too long.

I agree with your last paragraph, but your whole first section of analysis just isn't something we are looking at or even considering.

If we had voted down the 2nd SLI we would STILL be at the pay rates we are currently under. Therefore, THOSE are the starting rates when comparing what we will make (or not make) at Southwest.

What we are looking at NOW is that BEFORE we signed SIA 2, we were making an average of 80-85 hours of credit per month times roughly $90 an hour for our 6th year F/O's.

Since then, with the draw-down, we're all at or near guarantee for the next 2 1/2 years. It's a loss of 7-8 hours a month for a guy like me who bids max time at home, 10+ for our guys like JT12345 who bid for the money.

Trying to get us to use a rate that hasn't been in practice for nearly 2 years when comparing incomes just isn't something we will do. We would have gotten very close to that (I think more) taking the issue to a strike (last contract negotiations), I have no doubt of that, nor do the rest of our pilots.

You may not agree with that way of thinking and everyone has their own way of thinking, but that's how we see it, and our perception is our reality, as is the actual cash in our pocket for 2011 before the big flying draw-down compared to what we actually will make in 2012-2015, compared to SWA rates post 1/1/15.

I see your point, but we are looking at cash in our pockets NOW versus when we cross the partition.