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JT12345 said:
What is funny is how Steve Chase in this letter is actually trying to take credit for all this.
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Steve Chase is a myopic bomb thrower. He's got everyone pumped up over the "upgrades" coming their way, via the 717's demise, yet none of his posse has sat him down and given him the true numbers.

After 2015, by SWA's math, there may be as many as 26 717's on the AT side of the patrician (that's 216 capt. slots on the 'other-side' .. slots that, if senior enough, can be bid straight out by the more senior FAT guys). Add to that the international snafu going on right now and there's potential for over 30 737's being on the AT side as well after the magical 2015 deadline.

I just don't see this as the seat grab that those guys do, as the potential is that this long drawn-out transition is going to drag on beyond 2015. After that the game changes quite a bit. Which would mean that there'd be quite a few "new-hires" (as you guys so graciously like to point out) going straight to the left seat.
 
humveedriver said:
Did Delta pilots call NWA pilots new hires or attending new hire training when they came to ATL for training? Perhaps a DAL pilot could answer that. I realize it's a small thing. But you would be surprised how important it is. If SWA pilots are serious about moving on, they would do well to not say things like "we bought you". This is not the early 1800's. New hires apply for positions and don't have seniority. Sure we are new to the SWA way, but how many changes to that way are you already seeing since SWA bought AirTran? Just trying to provide a little perspective and echo what the rest of the industry is trying to tell you guys. It's YOUR ATTITUDE in this transaction that everyone is watching.
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Humm, We are just saying. You go to dallas they will treat you like a new hire. We treat people new to the company diffrent than other new hires at other companies. We know what value you guys bring. We are not discounting that. You are Just a new person to SWA. Put senority asisde.

I get it now! You guys at AT must really put your level of Senortiy, on how you judge each other or even respect each other. Here at SWA it is so not like that!

If I was to fly with one of your SR guys and I was new to AT, would he treat me as if I was some young punk that knows nothing? Becuase what I have heard from some of my AT friends it can be like that.
 
texman said:
If I was to fly with one of your SR guys and I was new to AT, would he treat me as if I was some young punk that knows nothing? Becuase what I have heard from some of my AT friends it can be like that.
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Glad to hear that EVERY SWA captain will treat the AT guys with nothing but respect. Can't wait...
 
texman said:
Humm, We are just saying. You go to dallas they will treat you like a new hire. We treat people new to the company diffrent than other new hires at other companies. We know what value you guys bring. We are not discounting that. You are Just a new person to SWA. Put senority asisde.

I get it now! You guys at AT must really put your level of Senortiy, on how you judge each other or even respect each other. Here at SWA it is so not like that!

If I was to fly with one of your SR guys and I was new to AT, would he treat me as if I was some young punk that knows nothing? Becuase what I have heard from some of my AT friends it can be like that.
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I'm sure you have seen the funny video on here with the SWA Kernal. "have you met the A flight attendant, 4 digit seniority number, very sharp." I think people are judged a little by seniorty numbers. At AirTran you can tell if someone is Valuejet or original AT all by a seniority number. But I think I get what you are saying. SWA is big on flushing out your past and reprogramming you so to speak. I believe it requires more tact when you take on bringing an entire company on board.
 
humveedriver said:
I'm sure you have seen the funny video on here with the SWA Kernal. "have you met the A flight attendant, 4 digit seniority number, very sharp." I think people are judged a little by seniorty numbers. At AirTran you can tell if someone is Valuejet or original AT all by a seniority number. But I think I get what you are saying. SWA is big on flushing out your past and reprogramming you so to speak. I believe it requires more tact when you take on bringing an entire company on board.
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Don't you mean "employee number"? Not "seniority number"?

Regards,
Fr8doggie
 
humveedriver said:
It's YOUR ATTITUDE in this transaction that everyone is watching.
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Really? I think it works both ways. There's a reason SWA developed a culture commitee in the middle of all this. We're all gonna have to dig deep and try to make the best out of this mess.
 
LeeRoyJenkins said:
PCL has thousands of hours of experience bought and paid for at Gulfstream International. That should count for something right? :laugh:
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Whats it matter where he came from? We all pay for it somehow. If you ever met PCL 128 in person you would realize the sharp individual he is. He is National by the way so show a little respect.
 
I would just like to say thank you and sorry to the older SWA pilot that came up to us yesterday to say hi and welcome aboard. Bad timing on his part because I was in the middle of a decision on commuting to get home and where to run to. Fly or rent a car. I would just like to tell him I will pay it forward.

As for the punk SWAFO that passed by me and turned head away while I was looking him in the eyes... you are a pu$$y. If you are going to walk by me and ignore at least be a man about it.
 
Not to put words in Texman's mouth, but I think you took the "new-hire" comment differently than he meant it, but I see your point, especially with all the new crap coming down the line and the uncertainty. To be honest, I might have used the same phrase, without thinking about how YOU guys may have taken it. How 'bout we call it "new-to-Southwest training"? That's pretty much was it is.

I just came back from Dallas for my PT, and ran into a bunch of FAT guys. The first were on the bus from Love to the hotel when I got there. I asked if they were there for a PC or a PT (the typical training center question), and they said that they were Airtran guys there "for newhire training." It turns out that they are going through the entire 6-week newhire class (I didn't know that was going to be the case), for which every one I talked to was glad of. One of the guys was a 737 guy, and besides the obvious procedural differences, he said there were differences in aircraft computer programming (the example he gave was that the 'VNAV' button on the MCP does something different on Southwest nexgen 737s than it does on Airtran nextgen 737s).

Anyway, they all seemed to be enjoying themselves. Please let's not get hung up on verbiage, especially when it wan't intended to be disrespectful. We all need to pull in the same direction.

Bubba
 
Dan Roman said:
That sums up this whole deal better than anyone else on here as well as Texman showing just how myopic the SWA perspective can be.
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By the way, Dan, thank you very much for coming along to give the pot a stir. It's what you seem to do best. I've been expecting you!

Bubba
 
SWA Bubba said:
the example he gave was that the 'VNAV' button on the MCP does something different on Southwest nexgen 737s than it does on Airtran nextgen 737s).


Bubba
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I bet it does.

On the AirTran 737 it computes an excellent path when used correctly. On a SWA 737 it starts a steam engine that scalds mice who drive a flywheel that creates water in a can.
 
LeeRoyJenkins said:
Incorrect. ALPA is not the largest union in the country.
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I'm sure he meant "largest pilot union in the country." Regardless though, we'll all be SWAPA relatively soon, and there is no "national" to worry about. Not to get into an ALPA vs SWAPA fight, but SWAPA works for us, and we're happy about not being beholden to a "mother union."

On another note, it seems that he won't be able to be at SWAPA and ALPA national at the same time. Will he stay as a national officer or come to Southwest?

Bubba
 
dicko said:
I bet it does.

On the AirTran 737 it computes an excellent path when used correctly. On a SWA 737 it starts a steam engine that scalds mice who drive a flywheel that creates water in a can.
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Only because that's much cheaper than having an actual flight managment computer.

Bubba
 

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