SWAPA Comments about 717

[Quiet Flight]

That's not going to happen. Can't replace the income at this equivalent longevity and I think you know that. It's really a ridiculous thing to say in this profession.

Just got back from vacation and I don't think I've ever seen this pilot group this p*ssed off.

It is neither reasonable nor fair to ask what you're asking (for us to just shut up and "be happy"). To expect that in this situation is actually quite absurd to everyone on the outside looking in and to repeatedly tell people to "get over it" only exacerbates the situation.

If Southwest Management is unwilling to do something to take the sting out of changing the basis of the SIA, then the only thing that will heal this is time. Telling people to "get over it" or "go work somewhere else" is really counter-productive and only serves to anger everyone.

Get over it.

And that's that.

 

[wood pecker]

flyinguy I wasn't whining. I am a happy pilot. Even my therapist and psychiatrist say I'm happy. The subject to change is just as if a SW pilot is barley hanging on to a future DEN base and has been planning on it for several months, then sees the day before making the move an email states a re-bid occurred and a bunch of senior Citrus CA are going there.

 

[Full of LUV]

I am still trying to figure out why you are whining to other pilots. If you are really ticked about what is going on, then get your group together and go picket GK and the GO!! Go do something about it!!! Coming on here and getting po'ed at other pilots does no good and will get you no where. Who do you think forced this marriage? Who held the "gun" to your head? SWAPA? SWAPA pilots? NO....it was GK. So take your anger and put it where it belongs.

I feel for you guys that are getting a raw deal. Guess what? Many on the SWAPA side feel the same way so complaining to us about your pain does not produce a lot of sympathy.

We all have a choices in life. Putting our lists together was not one of our choices, but how we treat each other is our choice. So happy flying and hopefully we will all find our "inner peace" over this shotgun wedding.

It wasn't Gary or the GO that released an email gloating over the gains in 737A slots to the detriment of the AAI pilots, that was SWAPA, refer back to first post......

 

[Clyde Frog]

If you are really ticked about what is going on, then get your group together and go picket GK

Easy thing to say for a guy who never had to strike or walk a picket line. Things were just handed to you at SW. You never had to fight for anything in your entire civilian career. Every time you guys open your mouths, it becomes more and more obvious, you guys are really are living in your own little world over there. This resentment is going to last for decades. Get used to hearing about it. It ain't going away any time soon.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Guess what? Many on the SWAPA side feel the same way

Why? Because they didn't gain enough seniority or CA seats at our expense? Oh, my heart is bleeding for them. GMAFB.

 

[Lear70]

Get over it.

And that's that.

Not quite.

People just don't work like that.

And that's that.

 

[texman]

Swa or AT side. I hope everybody can move on. Can any one post the SIA on here about the 717 ATL domicile or any other thing states the 717 was going to stay. I thought there was something else that states otherwise. I forgot.

 

[-9Capt]

Easy thing to say for a guy who never had to strike or walk a picket line.

He's has walked a picket line. Remember last summer? A couple hunderd of them marched in front of DAL corp HQ in support of the further screwing of AT pilots.

 

[Dan Roman]

Not quite.

People just don't work like that.

And that's that.

Gotta love the fact that the SWA guys are saying on here, "we stuck it to you, you're lucky to be here so get over it" and then they turn around and say "welcome brothers, we are all one now!"
Warrior spirit I guess.

 

[jball2]

I have always welcomed my AT brothers with open arms. But your anger is misdirected. I'd be pissed in your situation too but the crap you are spewing is not helping your cause. Be angry but make sure its at the right people. The rest of us just work here. Really!

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

 

[texman]

True Dat j ball!

 

[-9Capt]

Jball,
There is no way that GK orchestrated this without the input from SWAPA. No way. He wants his sick time back in exchange for our seniority/CA seats.

GK is to blame, so is SWAPA.

Quiet flight and the rest of the RSW crowd, if something was stolen from you, and the thief got away with it, how long would it take for you to get over it? And please don't tell me we voted for it. We all know this was a rectal cram job.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Jball,
There is no way that GK orchestrated this without the input from SWAPA. No way. He wants his sick time back in exchange for our seniority/CA seats.

GK is to blame, so is SWAPA.

Quiet flight and the rest of the RSW crowd, if something was stolen from you, and the thief got away with it, how long would it take for you to get over it? And please don't tell me we voted for it. We all know this was a rectal cram job.

Dude, if you REALLY believe that SWAPA had a hand in this, then you clearly need a piss test. Your conspiracy theory may play well with the permanently pissed-off (and, of course, Dan Roman), but everyone else knows it's BS. GK consults SWAPA only when he's contractually obligated to do so. And that doesn't include the company's business decisions. Do you have a reason to be mad? Sure. But it's not a SWA/SWAPA conspiracy to screw you like you seem to think. It's GK doing business as HE sees fit, and the chips fall where they may. You guys say SWAPA guys don't know how ALPA and Airtran work, and you are probably right. But the converse is also true; you obviously don't know diddly-dick about how SWA management runs its airline.

This thread really needs to die. All it's doing is pissing people off, even the normally sane guys, with the usual suspects on both sides (and of course, Dan Roman) spinning each other into the ceiling. Take a breath, do some yoga, tap couple of flight attendants, whatever. Work on changing something that you can change.

Bubba

 

[-9Capt]

Bubba, let me remind you of a few things...

"no SW pilot will be harmed"
"we gain nothing from this acquisition"
"IF integration occurs"
Comparisons made to the TWA/AA integration.
Rejoicing about the additional CA seats made available at our expense.
Pilots rallying for management at LUV HQ after ALPA declined AIP1.


SWAPA played a hand in this screw job from the beginning, probably even before the announcement was made public. There is no other logical reason why this went as lop-sided as it did. GK wants something from SWAPA. To say otherwise is being disingenuous at best.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Quiet Flight needs to change her avatar to "Paid For training, THEN Got Hired!"

 

[Lear70]

Swa or AT side. I hope everybody can move on.

We will. We have no choice, it's either that or be bitter for life and most of us won't stay angry forever, but we won't forget, either.

That said, I can't necessarily blame SWAPA or the individual SWA pilots for letting management help them. You had your viewpoint that we were getting a fair deal based on the focus of your pilot group: money. To argue that is akin to trying to change someone's political or religious belief, that is to say, you can't, and shouldn't even try, which is why I agree with another poster, this thread needs to die.

I'm waiting to see if the deal actually gets inked (so far nothing is signed yet except an intent letter). Until then, we wait.

Can any one post the SIA on here about the 717 ATL domicile or any other thing states the 717 was going to stay. I thought there was something else that states otherwise. I forgot.

Ahhh, now we're getting somewhere; someone has been paying attention.

And no, there is no escape clause from that one, and there are several other issues in play.

In truth, this is going to continue to play out for a while if Southwest Management doesn't throw us a bone; the Association has been very clear to explain that to management, which is why they're heading to Dallas on Wednesday, but the infighting between pilot groups on here isn't productive towards that end.

 

[STL717]

All you AirTran and Southwest pilots sure are fighting.

So far, this looks just like the TWA / AA integration. Management has pissed off both pilot groups and nothing is changing.

I can’t wait until one hot head throws a punch. Just remember if you’re on the receiving end of the punch to call the police so the media can run a national news story of Southwest pilots fist fighting.

We are still dealing with the ramifications a decade later, good luck on your future......

 

[Flyer1015]

Can someone post a watered down (simple couple sentences) that describes the final senioritiy integration between AAI and SWA? And the conditions/restrictions?

 

[ngsp]

750+ capts seat stolen with the sell of the b717. was just 300+ while gloating.
loss of 31% of senority at my spot. was 49% now 80%.
no airtran pilot can hold capt at swa before 1/1/2015 regardless of senority.
loss of 401k match from 10.5% down to 9.6% and only if you contribute.
loss of all three airtran bases. atl, mke, mco. we now all commute.
transfer to swa out of senority based on swa whims of the moment.
telling us that we won the lottery.

i have lost my capt seat until 2023 and then i can sit years on reserve, my base of atl which i live and all respect for anything that comes out of dallas for the next 25 years to retirement. i will do my job as assigned and keep my mouth shut as much as possible, but make no mistake, if you ask, i will tell you how hard we got coitused. so please don't tell me to get over it or that we voted for it. i voted to be employed because of a young child at home and trusted gary to put every one of us on the street so swapa would not go nuclear or at the least be a little upset. so don't for an instance ask me to embrace your culture. i am still sore in the rear from the last time we tried to be friends.

it is nice to see our senior displaced capts transfer over and take the top f/o slots in any base they want. they get a better schedule and piss off someone below them in the process.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Forgive my ignorance, but weren't the AT pilots getting ready to strike? Let me be clear too: I gained NO seniority at all after SL10. Was 83% and still is 83%. Not all SW guys made off with a great deal.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I'm trying to get over this like many, unfortunately we have a lot of unknowns and many years to suck it up and deal with it. We have to remember guys this was not our fault.