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Yeah, we voted, with a gun to our head. Its easy to say "get over it" when you're gaining upgrades and overall seniority at the expense of others.

SW and SWAPA should expect the same degree of loyality and respect from 25% of their pilots/members.
 
Clyde Frog said:
Yeah, we voted, with a gun to our head. Its easy to say "get over it" when you're gaining upgrades and overall seniority at the expense of others.

SW and SWAPA should expect the same degree of loyality and respect from 25% of their pilots/members.
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OK. You feel better now that you got to get that off your chest. When will it be enough? Are you going to be like this for the rest of your career, because it will never change. Like the next poster said, "Delta is hiring".
You really need to get over this or your life will be miserable. Every person you fly with will not want to hear about it. Well, maybe another person like yourself and then you can both spend the 3-4 days flying together talking about this and how you both got screwed.
 
scoreboardII said:
Delta is hiring.
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Oh no, I think I'll stick around and vote yes on every POS TA I"m offered. Then I can explain to the "hired not acquired" crowd just how lucky I feel to say I work for SWA (my lottery ticket)

Karma....... It ain't just a german car!
 
fletch717 said:
Oh no, I think I'll stick around and vote yes on every POS TA I"m offered. Then I can explain to the "hired not acquired" crowd just how lucky I feel to say I work for SWA (my lottery ticket)

Karma....... It ain't just a german car!
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You're gonna fit right in around here!
 
redflyer65 said:
I understand where you are coming from but I never thought the 717s would ever be painted in SW colors. I still don't believe there will be any in SW paint after Jan 2015. This was the worst kept secret in the industry. SW has always wanted to fly one plane....the 737.

Gary's got his agreement out of both sides and is running his business to be stronger and more profitable in the future. If you think he put a target on your backs with the 717 deal and squeezed the trigger, I think your wrong. I see this move as strengthing OUR company. The same company that we both work for. I can also understand how the announcement is playing out on the AAI side. SW hasn't been too proactive in telling people affected what's getting ready to go down. This move is no different. The communication should have been much, much better.
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We were told the 717's would be around for a while. The 717's going away definitely strengthens SWAPA's position. I understand you are happy about that. I probably would be to if the shoe was on the other foot. I don't think...nor do I expect anything to change for the better on the AAI side. It will get worse until the last 717 is gone. The lines have gone to ******************** and we are told they will be worse after summer. I will let you in on a secret....losing 10 to 20 hrs a month hurts. You guys refuse to see that we were lied to and coerced into an agreement. That's cool. We live in different bubbles. The way you view life depends upon your frame of reference. They are just very different from your side to ours. I will walk a mile in your shoes if you will reciprocate.

Peace out
 
Just because Steve made some strange comments about it doesn't mean I agree. It doesn't make me happy as you stated. To be honest, I haven't heard many people really mentioning it beyond that one SWAPA statement. I think its bizarre that your flying has been cut that much. We all should be flying max hours this summer and making as much profit as possible. I have no clue why the GO has done that on your side. If you get a chance to ask them, please do. Is be interested to hear the answer as well. Like I said before, I'd like to have you guys (with all planes painted in Canyon Blue) tomorrow so we can start working together.
 
Delta is hiring. Think FedEx is too. After you're done occupying Wall Street with the rest of the entitlement crowd, feel free to apply elsewhere and hit the road. Nothing keeping you here.
 
redflyer65 said:
Just because Steve made some strange comments about it doesn't mean I agree. It doesn't make me happy as you stated. To be honest, I haven't heard many people really mentioning it beyond that one SWAPA statement. I think its bizarre that your flying has been cut that much. We all should be flying max hours this summer and making as much profit as possible. I have no clue why the GO has done that on your side. If you get a chance to ask them, please do. Is be interested to hear the answer as well. Like I said before, I'd like to have you guys (with all planes painted in Canyon Blue) tomorrow so we can start working together.
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I have not run into anyone from planning to ask but I can only assume that it has to do with a few city's being dropped and flying shifted to your side. The kicker will be the dead season along with several more city's being dropped starting in AUG. (I believe) Last year our lines were much better during the summer. It's going to be tight for a few years on the AAI side. I usually credit in the mid 90's and am told to expect guarantee to be the norm from now on. Not sure if it will be but I can say open time is nil. At our pay scale that's $1,000 to $2,000 a month plus 401K match. Double that for captains. I realize that is our cross to bear but none the less it hurts.
C-ya mid to late 2015. :beer:
 
Quiet Flight said:
Delta is hiring. Think FedEx is too. After you're done occupying Wall Street with the rest of the entitlement crowd, feel free to apply elsewhere and hit the road. Nothing keeping you here.
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Ha! Ha! Your union went running to your daddy to fight your battles and threaten us and you call us the, "entitlement crowd"?
 
Cometman said:
I feel for you. Now move on and stop whining. Every day it is something new for you guys to complain about. It will never stop and that is why you guys will never be happy. Maybe the best thing for you is to look for another job.
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That's not going to happen. Can't replace the income at this equivalent longevity and I think you know that. It's really a ridiculous thing to say in this profession.

Just got back from vacation and I don't think I've ever seen this pilot group this p*ssed off.

It is neither reasonable nor fair to ask what you're asking (for us to just shut up and "be happy"). To expect that in this situation is actually quite absurd to everyone on the outside looking in and to repeatedly tell people to "get over it" only exacerbates the situation.

If Southwest Management is unwilling to do something to take the sting out of changing the basis of the SIA, then the only thing that will heal this is time. Telling people to "get over it" or "go work somewhere else" is really counter-productive and only serves to anger everyone.
 
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Latest email is that the remainder of the classes will be filled with MKE and MCO pilots. Another fine change to plans given to us the day before the bid opens.

Do even the Happy Birthday cards at Southwest say subject to change? Not upset at the world so don't say find a new job. Just wasted a lot of time studying for crap I will forget for sure by 20??
 
I am still trying to figure out why you are whining to other pilots. If you are really ticked about what is going on, then get your group together and go picket GK and the GO!! Go do something about it!!! Coming on here and getting po'ed at other pilots does no good and will get you no where. Who do you think forced this marriage? Who held the "gun" to your head? SWAPA? SWAPA pilots? NO....it was GK. So take your anger and put it where it belongs.

I feel for you guys that are getting a raw deal. Guess what? Many on the SWAPA side feel the same way so complaining to us about your pain does not produce a lot of sympathy.

We all have a choices in life. Putting our lists together was not one of our choices, but how we treat each other is our choice. So happy flying and hopefully we will all find our "inner peace" over this shotgun wedding.
 

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