SWAPA/ATN: Why no JCBA?

[27 driver]

Ivauir,
I can only speak for myself but all I want is a fair integration. Everyone I have spoken with here wants nothing more than fair treatment. Don't get me wrong we have our 10%'ers. I think you will find that the majority here at AAI are the same. We simply want a fair shake.

 

[GuppyWN]

What's fair?

Gup

 

[27 driver]

27,

Some of your coworkers are advocating extreme and even silly positions on the SLI. It doesn't have to be either "staple" or "date of hire". There are plenty of options in between.

I think there is so much emotion on our side because we have so much to lose. Where as there simply is no way an AAI pilot can end up worse off in the integration.

Good luck to us all. Done poorly this acquisition will ruin this place. I trust SWA to be reasonable while protecting it's employees interests.

But some of the AAI posters on here (combined with who their lawyer is) have me really worried that they are going be extreme.

Especially troubling is that apparently some of the posters advocating these extreme positions are in your union!

If you don't mind me asking who is our lawyer that you speak of. Do you mean ALPA or the guy we retained for the merger. You can't expect SWAPA to go for the throat and ALPA to roll over. It just doesn't work that way. Honestly I believe cooler heads will prevail. IMHO our unions will negotiate what they can and the arbitrator will decide the rest. Please keep in mind that the posters on here only less than 1% of our pilot group.
Cheers

 

[27 driver]

What's fair?

Gup

There in lies the problem GUP.

Shots on me. We are way past the beer phase.

 

[GuppyWN]

I agree. I'm on my way right now.

Not to dig on you but you said you want fair. You must have SOME idea of what that is.

Gup

 

[Bob Dylan]

I agree. I'm on my way right now.

Not to dig on you but you said you want fair. You must have SOME idea of what that is.

Gup

AT pilots would take a staple to the bottom of the SWA list with pay protections for two years. Either that or they work under their crappy new TA.

If I were negotiating the SLI for SWA, that's what I'd offer, or walk away. They will accept it.

 

[GuppyWN]

Or we could be adults and discuss it.

Gup

 

[Uppercrust]

AT pilots would take a staple to the bottom of the SWA list with pay protections for two years. Either that or they work under their crappy new TA.

If I were negotiating the SLI for SWA, that's what I'd offer, or walk away. They will accept it.

I'd make em interview.

 

[27 driver]

I agree. I'm on my way right now.

Not to dig on you but you said you want fair. You must have SOME idea of what that is.

Gup

You are right GUP but I bet it differs from what you think is fair. I am junior here at AAI and I will be junior at LUV. Our unions have asked us not to discuss our opinions online so I will refrain. Needless to say my opinion will not matter much in the over all scheme of things much like everyone here on FI.

Double shot with a beer back.

Only now we have to split the tab. Getting expensive

 

[SWA/FO]

Only now we have to split the tab. Getting expensive

Not with your pending SWA Pay. You'll be fine.

 

[RedDogC130]

No I am for a fair integration. You are the ones wanting a staple job. You act like all of us have applied to SWA. I bet it is less than 5%. And many that did applied to every airline out there at one point or another. People job hunting put in resumes everywhere. Once they find a job that stops.

The number I thought I read was 482 former airtran at SWA. So out of let's say 5900, 482 would equals....roughly 8%....that were hired and took the job....not counting those who did not take it....or those who did not get hired at all. I think you may be a bit off on your percentages...I'm just sayin

 

[RedDogC130]

From this junior AAI FO, I would gladly take some kind of fair integration with a no furlough clause. I am on the bottom here. I would much rather be on the bottom there. I would come to work happy and with a smile every time.

Most guys and gals here at AAI have been hired post 9/11. What percentage of your group have been hired since then?

Taken from the please buy airtran thread. You seem to be consistent in wanting a fair solution. Glad you would not mind being on the bottom of our list. I would like to run the numbers to the question you asked in the last sentence.

 

[luv2fly]

Most guys and gals here at AAI have been hired post 9/11. What percentage of your group have been hired since then?

The percentage is lower, but the total number of pilots hired at SWA since September 11th is greater than your entire seniority list.

 

[PCL_128]

I was told $140 Million increase over the term of the CBA. If that's incorrect, it came from the NC.

Isn't AirTran projected to net over $160 Million this year?

The $140 million number is low. Remember, it's over $50 million in just the first year, and it's a five year deal. Also, AirTran won't make nearly $160 million this year in net profit. With that said, it's ridiculous to think that AirTran can't afford this contract without the SWA deal. They could afford far more.

Your lack of general accounting is embarrassing. Your current raises increase AT costs enough to wipe out your best year's (2009) net profit. That increase in cost is per year. Call your union, or better yet just call your VC, or just call PCL.

You don't want him to call me. I won't tell him what you're saying, thats for sure. You need to check your facts.

 

[GuppyWN]

The number I thought I read was 482 former airtran at SWA. So out of let's say 5900, 482 would equals....roughly 8%....that were hired and took the job....not counting those who did not take it....or those who did not get hired at all. I think you may be a bit off on your percentages...I'm just sayin

He said APPLIED, not hired. I can assure you his number is off by roughly 30% - or more.

Gup