SWAPA/ATN: Why no JCBA?

[Kharma Police]

Hahaha. What a load of BS. You AT captains are the greediest lot I've ever seen.

Prove that you're not just in it for you and advocate a staple, because to all of us outsiders, that would clearly be the best SLI for the sake of the airline.

LOL!, I knew you couldn't make a post without mentioning staple. You made your point over and over and over and over again. We get it, "staple is the only fair thing", "put it to a vote, everyone will agree to a staple", "AirTran Captains are greedy". You are repeating yourself like a scratched .45 record, please for the love of Gawd bump the needle and make some other point!

 

[Bob Dylan]

LOL!, I knew you couldn't make a post without mentioning staple. You made your point over and over and over and over again. We get it, "staple is the only fair thing", "put it to a vote, everyone will agree to a staple", "AirTran Captains are greedy". You are repeating yourself like a scratched .45 record, please for the love of Gawd bump the needle and make some other point!

Lemme guess, AirTran Captain?

Thought so.

 

[Kharma Police]

Lemme guess, AirTran Captain?

Thought so.

I still hear that needle scratching, skip.....skip......skip......skip......skip

 

[27 driver]

Karma......don't feed the trolls.

 

[Kharma Police]

Karma......don't feed the trolls.

I know what he's typing right now! I don't think he can help it, he's on a continuous loop!

skip....skip...."staple is the only fair thing".....skip....skip...."greedy AT Captains"....skip....skip...."have a vote on a staple".....skip....skip....skip.....

 

[texman]

I think it is good to take care if your own. When the list is done, this attitude will go a long way. Good to hear.

 

[27 driver]

I think it is good to take care if your own. When the list is done, this attitude will go a long way. Good to hear.

You are right Tex. Let our unions slug it out. You have had polling to convey your thoughts and concerns. There is no reason for the rank and file to sling mud. If culture is so important why drive a huge wedge now. If this deal goes through the Tran folks will be approx. 30% of the pilot group. Let the process play out and see what the arbitrator comes up with. Time will tell my friend.

Cheers

 

[Cometman]

You are right Tex. Let our unions slug it out. You have had polling to convey your thoughts and concerns. There is no reason for the rank and file to sling mud. If culture is so important why drive a huge wedge now. If this deal goes through the Tran folks will be approx. 30% of the pilot group. Let the process play out and see what the arbitrator comes up with. Time will tell my friend.

Cheers

I think it might be closer to 22%.

 

[27 driver]

I think it might be closer to 22%.

What ever. You missed my point. You have 5887 according to APC and we have about 1703. That is closer to 29%.

 

[27 driver]

Point taken Comet. I guess what I am trying to say is we don't have to be enemies. Maybe I am being too optimistic.

 

[SWA/FO]

Blah blah blah blah blah....:crying:

 

[Bob Dylan]

Blah blah blah blah blah....:crying:

You can say that again. AirTran captains are basically willing to destroy a great company all for their greed!

 

[PCL_128]

This time line from the one being acquired really has no leverage. It has much more leverage from the acquiring airline. A simple staple approved by Swapa until the issue is finalized would satisfy this requirement. But more likely would be to violate that item in your contract and let it go to court for a couple more years.

You should talk to an attorney before making such pronouncements. In reality, our scope clause is binding, and the 18 month limit is enforceable. And if SWA management were to ignore it (they won't), it would go to expedited arbitration, which takes a few months, not years.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hahaha. Blah Blah Blah. I'm on my Mom's computer again, posing as a SWA pilot. ha-Ha! U got punk'd! LMBFAO.

I don't think anyone really cares what you think, Bobby. I sure don't.

 

[Cometman]

You should talk to an attorney before making such pronouncements. In reality, our scope clause is binding, and the 18 month limit is enforceable. And if SWA management were to ignore it (they won't), it would go to expedited arbitration, which takes a few months, not years.

I have a question for you: Somebody from Airtran said that they can stop the deal if they are not joined within 18 months after the sale is completed. Just curious to know if SWA buys Airtran and the deal is closed and everything else occurs that normally would occur in a major bsuiness deal like this, how do you undo this at the end of the 18 months?

 

[K-Mart]

I have a question for you: Somebody from Airtran said that they can stop the deal if they are not joined within 18 months after the sale is completed. Just curious to know if SWA buys Airtran and the deal is closed and everything else occurs that normally would occur in a major bsuiness deal like this, how do you undo this at the end of the 18 months?

ALPA will file a grievance.

 

[PCL_128]

I have a question for you: Somebody from Airtran said that they can stop the deal if they are not joined within 18 months after the sale is completed. Just curious to know if SWA buys Airtran and the deal is closed and everything else occurs that normally would occur in a major bsuiness deal like this, how do you undo this at the end of the 18 months?

You don't. Once the deal is closed, the deal is closed. If management didn't adhere to the contract, then an arbitrator would force them to do so.

 

[roughneck]

The 18 months only applies if the two carriers are going to be combined. There is no provision in the SEC filings for the 2 airlines to actually combine into 1. Comments to the press do not constitute a requirement for the carriers to combine.

 

[PCL_128]

The 18 months only applies if the two carriers are going to be combined. There is no provision in the SEC filings for the 2 airlines to actually combine into 1. Comments to the press do not constitute a requirement for the carriers to combine.

Actually, that's exactly what the SEC filings say. But that doesn't really matter, because that's what our contract requires. A merger of the two carriers is required within 18 months of corporate closing.

 

[Candide]

Let's assume the ATN/ALPA crew had the authority to negate the merger after 18 months. Let's assume they exercise that authority.

How do you think that would go over with the majority AAI pilot group?