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Dan Roman

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I'm sorry if this sounds like flame, but does Gary Kelly really refer to you guys as warriors? Do you guys buy that crap or roll your eyes?
 
Dan Roman said:
I'm sorry if this sounds like flame, but does Gary Kelly really refer to you guys as warriors? Do you guys buy that crap or roll your eyes?
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He has never called me a Warrior.

As a 6th year narrowbody F/O I will only start rolling my eyes when I am not being paid at least $200k a year.
 
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SLUF4 said:
how come SWA guys always boast about their pay so much? It's really annoying
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Probably in response to the constant belittling about everthing ELSE Southwest, that comes in from others on this and other forums. You gotta' have something to be proud of, I suppose.

"You guys fly to Lubbock!"
"You only fly little 737s!"
"You guys can't fly internationally!"
"You guys only fly a bunch of short legs in uncomfortable planes."
"You guys don't have lay-flat seats for crew rest."
etc.

"Oh well, at least we get paid a lot for our 'crappy' jobs."
See how it works?

Bubba
 
Hey, hats off to the SW guys and gals. They're making bank. Instead of drowning in irritation, figure out a way to get to that. I'll think they'll take a paycut soon along with productivity changes, but they'll still make more than any of us.
 
whatitdoing? said:
Hey, hats off to the SW guys and gals. They're making bank. Instead of drowning in irritation, figure out a way to get to that. I'll think they'll take a paycut soon along with productivity changes, but they'll still make more than any of us.
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Curious as to why you think we will take a pay cut AND get productivity changes. Do you know something about SWA's productivity that I don't?
 
Back to the original question: I've never heard any pilot called a "Warrior". I have, however, on occasion heard our pilots referred to as "Kernal"..Does that help?
 
XR650R said:
Back to the original question: I've never heard any pilot called a "Warrior". I have, however, on occasion heard our pilots referred to as "Kernal"..Does that help?
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Elsewhere on here there was a memo posted from your CEO that used the term. It struck me as very odd.
 
Had a Delta guy on the jumpseat who said they were using our pay as an aiming point. I feel certain that I speak for our entire pilot group when I say I really hope you all are successful in attaining that. Unfortunately the AA bankruptcy doesn't help, and will not help us in our section 6. I don't believe Gary will be asking for pay cuts; he stated that in the letter. I'm all ears for ideas on becoming more productive.
 
slaquer5 said:
Why do the Delta pilots have such a hard on for SWA ?
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...Because you guys are going to hit their bottom line hard in Atlanta... I hope the hell you guys get more $ in the next contract...it's good for everyone!!
 
SLUF4 said:
so what are y'all gonna do when you're not the highest paid?
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I dunno... I guess if that happens, we'll stop pointing out that we're the highest paid.

I'm sure we'll find something else to be happy about. Personally, I came here when we weren't the highest paid. When I applied in 2000, I counted on working a little harder than the other airlines, and getting paid a little less than them as well. However, Southwest was the only airline I applied to, because that was for whom I wanted to work, for other reasons.

Conversely with answering your question, if and when Southwest isn't on the top of the heap anymore, maybe other airlines' folks will stop nitpicking and belittling every other aspect of our careers. But who knows? What do YOU think, Sluf?

Bubba
 
Back to the subject....I think we started to be called warriors back in the mid 1990's. It started when United Shuttle started and Continental lite. The big one was United Shuttle. If I remember correctly from the stories, Herb said this was going to be a war. United shuttle was a big threat and we had to fight for our existence on the west coast. I believe there were even pictures of herb in camo army clothes and ground ops people also wore camo. I believe the term red bellied war planes came out during that time. I obviously wasn't at swa then (wish I was....15 and at swa would've been sweet) but I have read that in several places.
 
LeeRoyJenkins said:
He has never called me a Warrior.

As a 6th year narrowbody F/O I will only start rolling my eyes when I am not being paid at least $200k a year.
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You will have "Betty Davis Eyes" pretty soon......


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
SWA Bubba said:
I dunno... I guess if that happens, we'll stop pointing out that we're the highest paid.

I'm sure we'll find something else to be happy about. Personally, I came here when we weren't the highest paid. When I applied in 2000, I counted on working a little harder than the other airlines, and getting paid a little less than them as well. However, Southwest was the only airline I applied to, because that was for whom I wanted to work, for other reasons.

Conversely with answering your question, if and when Southwest isn't on the top of the heap anymore, maybe other airlines' folks will stop nitpicking and belittling every other aspect of our careers. But who knows? What do YOU think, Sluf?

Bubba
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When you stop being the highest paid, there will be a mass exodus, just looking for variety. 22 leg 4 day trips get old after 5-10 years. Admit it!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Hose A. Jiminez said:
Had a Delta guy on the jumpseat who said they were using our pay as an aiming point. I feel certain that I speak for our entire pilot group when I say I really hope you all are successful in attaining that. Unfortunately the AA bankruptcy doesn't help, and will not help us in our section 6. I don't believe Gary will be asking for pay cuts; he stated that in the letter. I'm all ears for ideas on becoming more productive.
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The company will want pref bidding and I am a HUGE NO on that,
 
General Lee said:
When you stop being the highest paid, there will be a mass exodus, just looking for variety. 22 leg 4 day trips get old after 5-10 years. Admit it!


Bye Bye---General Lee
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What have you been smoking today? Mass Exodus? Like the mass exodus from Delta when you got shafted in BK? Or any other carrier for that matter. As there are entire threads on this forum talking about pilots staying at their chosen carrier due to the seniority system, I'd say that no one would leave. Unless your company goes away, you feel as if you can't leave. Hell, we ALL know what happens when you get screwed over in pay and rules by your company. You don't leave; you just get bitter, call yourself 'General,' and attempt to inflict your misery on everyone else around you. You know, pretty standard stuff.

Anyway, I believe I mentioned that I came here when we were NOT the highest paid. Don't you get it? This is where I wanted to work. Sure, the money's great, but I like working here anyway. You spoke of variety? What's more variety than being able to fly to and overnight in ANY of our company's cities? Not just the few your particular aircraft and base go to. And this is what bidding is all about--I can bid short, medium or long legs. Personally, I change it up... you know, for variety. I had enough of that ultra-long haul sitting on my ass for hours on end in my former life. If I want to go to Europe, I'll catch a ride on my days off from one of you helpful guys. Besides, we'll go to Hawaii and international soon enough. Even more variety to choose from then.

Chill a little, will ya? It seems like you're getting a little chafed around the edges.

Bubba
 

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