SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[GIZMONC]

Interesting that WN wants to start Mexico and South Amereica from HOU:

see link:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=8584407

 

[redflyer65]

It's been going on behind the scenes for awhile. Just trying to work with the airport authority and US Customs on the details.

 

[johnsonrod]

At least you guys have the AirTran pilots who have been flying international for a while to mentor you... Joking! :laugh:

 

[The Prussian]

Quote from article..."Former Continental Airlines CEO Gordon Bethune says he and past Houston mayors developed IAH specifically as the city's international gateway, and it's a key reason for Houston's economic success to date.
"It's going to pop an economic balloon, which has been Houston's economic growth," he said. "It's going to split a big city -- six million people -- into two small cities. So we're going to have transportation like Austin."
United Airlines quickly sent a letter Friday, saying, "We believe this fundamental change in more than 40-year-old aviation policy would weaken the city's economy and kill far more jobs than it might create.""

I think Gordon Bethune is a sharp guy, but...split a big city into two small cities???...REALLY??? Poor form in appearing to over-dramatize in my estimation.

 

[scoreboardII]

This deal is done, just like the wright amendment

 

[Flopgut]

This deal is done, just like the wright amendment

You wish...

Why not come on back to IAH guys?

 

[Flopgut]

REALLY??? Poor form in appearing to over-dramatize in my estimation.

"Poor form?!" YGTBSM... He's completely right!

This is a perfect addmission on SWA's part that you cannot compete on International flights without some sort of unique airport situation. It's classless Prussian.

 

[jonjuan]

If this goes forward, expect UAL to also fly from HOU an dump seats on competing routes.

 

[chase]

LA has multiple airports that fly internationally, Chicago also with MDW and ORD, NYC also.

Competition is good. I wpredict that in 5 yrs SWA will have one of the terminals @ DFW (20+ gates with flights to MEX and Carib. The amendment will be changed again to allow this.

Love will be domestic only and will max out in flight for gates within 18 months of the restrictions being lifted in 2014.

 

[Flopgut]

LA has multiple airports that fly internationally, Chicago also with MDW and ORD, NYC also.

Competition is good. I wpredict that in 5 yrs SWA will have one of the terminals @ DFW (20+ gates with flights to MEX and Carib. The amendment will be changed again to allow this.

Love will be domestic only and will max out in flight for gates within 18 months of the restrictions being lifted in 2014.

So you're going to go to DFW and Love is going to be domestic only, but you can't go to IAH now?! You're too smart a guy to make such a dumb post Chase. SWA isn't the flat-broke, 3 airplane only airline you were back when Love Field was an issue and the WA began to formulate, yet you think you deserve the same sort of special treatment?

Yeah, competition is good. It's great in fact. The level playing field is IAH. Why is that a problem?

 

[Soccer Stud]

Sounds good there flopnuts. SWA fly all int'l out of IAH and United will fly all domestic out Hobby. Tell me your not that ignorant that the fourth biggest market in the US can't support 2 airports.

 

[On Your Six]

Don't you guys already fly your planes to San Salvador for big MX? Is it fun? It is tropical, but I wouldn't be so excited if I were you. It will be different than Islip or Midway, but going to Quito or Bogota might be interesting the first time, but layovers out there are probably a security headache. Mexico City isn't as fun as it used to be (I do at least 1 layover there a month it seems), and you always have to watch yourselves South of the border. Have fun with that.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Flopgut]

Tell me your not that ignorant that the fourth biggest market in the US can't support 2 airports.

No, it can't. Why kneecap the design of the Houston Airports system? Why screw with the ATC setup? Why do dozens of airlines from all over the world that use IAH have to see their airport dynamic screwed with?

Look, this is extremely "poor form" on the part of SWA... You would have a better case if it were not for the fact that SWA used to fly out of IAH. There is no one in Houston that does not know Continental ran you out of there.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Flopgut, I think we are all dumber for reading your last post.

 

[humveedriver]

Why would SWA want to compete on a level playing field? So they can lose money? I'm just a dumb pilot and even I know better than that!

 

[FR8dognit]

LA has multiple airports that fly internationally, Chicago also with MDW and ORD, NYC also.

Competition is good. I wpredict that in 5 yrs SWA will have one of the terminals @ DFW (20+ gates with flights to MEX and Carib. The amendment will be changed again to allow this.

Love will be domestic only and will max out in flight for gates within 18 months of the restrictions being lifted in 2014.

We're not going to DFW...we'd have to give up as many gates at DAL as we had at DFW per the agreement to get rid of the Wright Amd.

 

[scoreboardII]

you read that AA might not be around in it's current form, so maybe the DFW airport authority would be more than happy to help promote SWA coming on over and relaxing those pesky uncompetitive restrictions.

 

[On Your Six]

you read that AA might not be around in it's current form, so maybe the DFW airport authority would be more than happy to help promote SWA coming on over and relaxing those pesky uncompetitive restrictions.

AA will probably be around, combined with US. DFW is their prized jewel. Even if they have to give up a hub or two to help finance the deal (rumors have DL interested in the MIA hub), they will probably keep DFW, and have lower costs at the same time due to their BK. That means you will have a new LCC to deal with in Texas.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[scoreboardII]

But with a much smaller footprint.

AA could have their pilots fly for free and it would still have a higher CASM than SWA.

 

[ASADFW7]

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company in bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

 

[On Your Six]

But with a much smaller footprint.

AA could have their pilots fly for free and it would still have a higher CASM than SWA.

There might be a smaller footprint, but BKs tend to make them more profitable eventually. They drop leases, airport fees, planes they don't need, and unfortunately freeze pensions in their case. That all adds up to lowering that CASM, and that will make it tougher on you. GK said that as much in that memo or article after your Airtran deal was completed. It won't be easier.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company is bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

I just said it was a rumor, and I have heard them, along with articles in the media. Some of those rumors may benefit the AA pilots, getting them away from their own management. I never said anyone would lose a job. Some may want the option to go with another airline as a merger partner.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[ASADFW7]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

 

[On Your Six]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

"Your an idiot" ? Is this from the moderator or just you personally? A smaller footprint could include planes they had parked, but were still paying leases on. I believe they were still paying on some Fokkers that had been parked years ago. That is a perk of BK. Can you believe that could be a possibility?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Flopgut]

But with a much smaller footprint.

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company in bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

I just said it was a rumor, and I have heard them, along with articles in the media. Some of those rumors may benefit the AA pilots, getting them away from their own management. I never said anyone would lose a job. Some may want the option to go with another airline as a merger partner.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

I know SWA is the sacred cow on here, but come on! How does a MODERATOR not get this right? Do you even read SWA pilot's posts? Or do you just give them the benefit of the doubt? The first guy who mentioned a "smaller footprint" for AA is a SWA guy. Hey ASADFW7: how does that not make YOU the idiot?

All in all, with this Hobby thing, it actually bodes well for the new UAL (and everybosy else). I thought SWA would have the wearwithall to start intl flights in legitimate manner. To find out they can't do it without another airport hustle, means they are weaker than I thought. It will be fought, but SWA might get the go-ahead. The corrupt Texas airport deal is SWA's wellspring, and Houston is not happy with UAL moving hdqrtrs to Chicago (even though we are still one of the largest employers in town).

 

[On Your Six]

I know SWA is the sacred cow on here, but come on! How does a MODERATOR not get this right? Do you even read SWA pilot's posts? Or do you just give them the benefit of the doubt? The first guy who mentioned a "smaller footprint" for AA is a SWA guy. Hey ASADFW7: how does that not make YOU the idiot?

All in all, with this Hobby thing, it actually bodes well for the new UAL (and everybosy else). I thought SWA would have the wearwithall to start intl flights in legitimate manner. To find out they can't do it without another airport hustle, means they are weaker than I thought. It will be fought, but SWA might get the go-ahead. The corrupt Texas airport deal is SWA's wellspring, and Houston is not happy with UAL moving hdqrtrs to Chicago (even though we are still one of the largest employers in town).

I can't tell if the MODERATOR was the one saying "YOUR AN IDIOT" or if it was ASADFW7 himself. I have to tread lightly.

As far as the Hobby thing goes, I just can't see 6 daily SWA 737s flying to Bogota from HOU. I guess it would be something different for those guys, but if they are excited about it now, let them do a couple MEX layovers and see if the attitude changes after that. Not that fun, trust me. Now Hawaii, that may be fun for them, but Mexico and South (except CUN), not so much.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[scoreboardII]

It's going to be the city of HOU to lose, if so, my bet all international shifts to AUS or SAT. Their gain, HOU better choose wisely.

 

[scoreboardII]

In one post you mention smaller footprint, and the next you try to justify the crap out of your mouth. Your an idiot.

So much for unbiased moderating.

 

[scoreboardII]

I find it in very poor taste speculating about a company in bankruptcy. There are people who's lives are impacted greatly by this event, and speaking about rumor to serves nothing here on a thread that isn't about that company?

Is the moderator speaking or asadfw7 who obviously has a stake in the game speaking?

 

[Flopgut]

I thought he might actually be correcting Scoreboard, and then he snapped at you [On Your Six]. Maybe some posts got alterred, but it doesn't look like it.

As far as SWA actually flying outside the country, I don't care. They just need to get in line like the rest of us and play by the rules. If Hobby is going to have Intl departures then the facilities need to be made available to all of us. I can assure you, that is not their intention. SWA exists only by what it did at Love Field. It was just a matter of time before they tried the same thing again.