SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[texman]

Dude, here's the real question- why would swa be forced to operate up in IAH? Why would they not have the right to fly international out of hobby?
And why isn't the reverse argument true? Why isn't continental down in hobby competing?

True and this is starting to look a lot like the wright amendment all over again. This time it won't happen. It is time to take SWA customers international. Get a domestic feed then do international. It just wont happen out of IAH. Sorry guys but this how we feed (HOU), not out of IAH. I say let CAL/UA do it to out of HOU and see how it works out. I bet it won't. CAL/UA has the feed only out of IAH. Period.

It's all good.

 

[SKC]

Flop's hatred of everything SWA clouds his ability to make a rational argument.

He thinks that just because Unitental is older and has been established in Houston longer than SWA, that everyone should bow down to them. He believes that competition under any terms but his own is wrong.

 

[FlyinGuy]

They used to fly there and we [CAL] beat them in a straight up showdown. And it even took place when SWA had a better fuel hedging position. Afraid to compete? I'm pretty sure we can kick their butt again.

OK brainiac, please tell me about that SWA operation out of IAH. How many places did you compete? How many cities were part of this huge operation that CAL supposedly defeated?


Yep....it was IAH to DAL about 6 times a day!!! Why was it closed? Because it was no longer cost effective to operate only a few flights out of that station.

 

[Flopgut]

Dude, here's the real question- why would swa be forced to operate up in IAH? Why would they not have the right to fly international out of hobby?
And why isn't the reverse argument true? Why isn't continental down in hobby competing?

You should be forced to go to IAH because we've been down this road with you on the WA and Love Field. You wouldn't go to DFW because you said you didn't sign the agreement and you didn't/couldn't pay for the airport. This time, you're not a start-up and you've already had ops at IAH. You need to pay to play bud.

The reverse arguement is not true because we have been down at Hobby, and I think/hope we will go there again if need be. You and Flyinguy need to remember why you left IAH. SWA went after CAL's CLE operation because you thought there was blood in the water and we would give it up. We launched MD80s from CLE to Hobby at 30 min intervals and you lost your appetite for a fight real quick. We didn't let up til you agreed to leave IAH. You sneak this deal through and I hope we go back to Hobby. But really, we shouldn't need to. Having had this sort of fight once recently, it's clear you're just trying to pull a stunt because you can't get a foothold otherwise. However, something tells me GK has a plan for that. He's going to find a way to make sure you don't have any competition at Hobby.

Look, maybe I don't like SWA, but forgive me if I have a little pride in the few good things my airline has done. You guys don't hesitate a bit to wave your flag. What's wrong with some of us legacy guys showing some espirit de corp?

 

[outerlimits]

You should be forced to go to IAH because we've been down this road with you on the WA and Love Field. You wouldn't go to DFW because you said you didn't sign the agreement and you didn't/couldn't pay for the airport. This time, you're not a start-up and you've already had ops at IAH. You need to pay to play bud.

Do you really believe what you type?

No company should be forced to be run a certain way.

Why not say oil company's need to give a free car after 10,000 gal. of gas purchase .


UAL has nothing to worry About with SWA.Just offer a better product at a better price and there is no way Southwest can compete

 

[waveflyer]

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth flop. Have all the esprit you want- but that's not what you're doing- your company is trying to set up the next special rule to keep southwest in check- and you've bought into that- It's stupid, and protectionist- IAH was built so the city could have concrete to handle widebodies- continental has widebodies and needs that space- continental needs the domestic feed up at IAH to fill the widebodies, so it doesn't fly domestically out of Hobby where most of Houston would rather fly out of. Abandoned Hobby, the established, domestic airport in Houston, long before IAH
DUDE, WE DON'T HAVE WIDEBODIES. We don't need your Goliath airport and the delays that come with the hub and spoke you implement to fill your double-aisles.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT CONTINENTAL IN HOUSTON-
If we ever need 10,000' runways in Houston we'll talk about IAH- but in the meantime, your company is the one that needs them, the one that wants them-
It's continental's business plan that requires IAH, not SWAs. You're asking us to subsidize your facilities. That's crazy.
No way you win this stupid battle.
How about this- you do continental and all that hub and spoke out of IAH, and we'll do our point to point out of Hobby and let the consumer decide what they want.....?
Sound good?

 

[FlyinGuy]

You and Flyinguy need to remember why you left IAH. SWA went after CAL's CLE operation because you thought there was blood in the water and we would give it up. We launched MD80s from CLE to Hobby at 30 min intervals and you lost your appetite for a fight real quick. We didn't let up til you agreed to leave IAH.

Get your facts straight. SWA left the IAH-DAL market because it became too expensive and they wanted to increase their presence at Hobby.

 

[SKC]

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth flop. Have all the esprit you want- but that's not what you're doing- your company is trying to set up the next special rule to keep southwest in check- and you've bought into that- It's stupid, and protectionist- IAH was built so the city could have concrete to handle widebodies- continental has widebodies and needs that space- continental needs the domestic feed up at IAH to fill the widebodies, so it doesn't fly domestically out of Hobby where most of Houston would rather fly out of. Abandoned Hobby, the established, domestic airport in Houston, long before IAH
DUDE, WE DON'T HAVE WIDEBODIES. We don't need your Goliath airport and the delays that come with the hub and spoke you implement to fill your double-aisles.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT CONTINENTAL IN HOUSTON-
If we ever need 10,000' runways in Houston we'll talk about IAH- but in the meantime, your company is the one that needs them, the one that wants them-
It's continental's business plan that requires IAH, not SWAs. You're asking us to subsidize your facilities. That's crazy.
No way you win this stupid battle.
How about this- you do continental and all that hub and spoke out of IAH, and we'll do our point to point out of Hobby and let the consumer decide what they want.....?
Sound good?

All great points, Wave. Suppose Flop can take his hands out of his ears long enough to let it sink in?

 

[Flopgut]

Get your facts straight. SWA left the IAH-DAL market because it became too expensive and they wanted to increase their presence at Hobby.

You are completely wrong... We beat your a$$ bud...

 

[Flopgut]

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth flop. Have all the esprit you want- but that's not what you're doing- your company is trying to set up the next special rule to keep southwest in check- and you've bought into that- It's stupid, and protectionist- IAH was built so the city could have concrete to handle widebodies- continental has widebodies and needs that space- continental needs the domestic feed up at IAH to fill the widebodies, so it doesn't fly domestically out of Hobby where most of Houston would rather fly out of. Abandoned Hobby, the established, domestic airport in Houston, long before IAH
DUDE, WE DON'T HAVE WIDEBODIES. We don't need your Goliath airport and the delays that come with the hub and spoke you implement to fill your double-aisles.
IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT CONTINENTAL IN HOUSTON-
If we ever need 10,000' runways in Houston we'll talk about IAH- but in the meantime, your company is the one that needs them, the one that wants them-
It's continental's business plan that requires IAH, not SWAs. You're asking us to subsidize your facilities. That's crazy.

IAH has no delays to speak of. CAL does not taxi around real slow like AA. You know so little about big airplane ops (runway length) and etops it's incredible you get a fluf off the ground.

We don't require IAH, so much as we need our competition to be predictable. We could do this out of Hobby. We DID this out of Hobby. You got your butts kicked. What's your problem?