SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[-9Capt]

so, I have a question. Are you going to be two faced and talk tough on here and then act all nice while flying or are you going to be an ass in the cockpit and jeopardize your career? Just curious.

Not that this should be of any concern to you, but since you asked, I'm going to conduct myself exactly as I do now. I come to work, fly my trip then go the F home and partake one or more of my many leisure activities. If someone asks my opinion about a certain topic, I'll give it. If they want to talk about football, that's fine too.

This company will never have my respect or loyalty and that should surprise nobody. You can't lie, cheat and steal and expect your employees to respect you.
As far as I can tell there are at least a thousand of us over here that feel the same way.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

1000 that should have had a preferential interview.

 

[-9Capt]

1000 that should have had a preferential interview.

It must suck for you to watch a bunch of undeserving scum bags like us walk right into a company that turned you down. All that money you spent on the 737 type and still no job. So sad you must be little man.

 

[General Lee]

Not that this should be of any concern to you, but since you asked, I'm going to conduct myself exactly as I do now. I come to work, fly my trip then go the F home and partake one or more of my many leisure activities. If someone asks my opinion about a certain topic, I'll give it. If they want to talk about football, that's fine too.

This company will never have my respect or loyalty and that should surprise nobody. You can't lie, cheat and steal and expect your employees to respect you.
As far as I can tell there are at least a thousand of us over here that feel the same way.

Yow-ch! Very understandable. Good luck, and btw, the carrier across the way will be hiring eventually, with lots of retirements and good newhire pay.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ron burgundy]

Not that this should be of any concern to you, but since you asked, I'm going to conduct myself exactly as I do now. I come to work, fly my trip then go the F home and partake one or more of my many leisure activities. If someone asks my opinion about a certain topic, I'll give it. If they want to talk about football, that's fine too.

This company will never have my respect or loyalty and that should surprise nobody. You can't lie, cheat and steal and expect your employees to respect you.
As far as I can tell there are at least a thousand of us over here that feel the same way.

Yet, you defend the Tran who did nothing but that..

 

[Cosmo007]

Back on track. SWA is not the same as ten years ago but there is still some of the spirit there. Just a few months ago, a SWA pilot's teenage son was killed in an auto accident. The pilot was on an east coast overnight and it was too late to get home on any carrier. The chief pilot on duty got dispatch to divert a charter repo to the overnight city to pick up the pilot and RTB him home to Dallas. The Dallas chiefs met him at the airport at 4 AM to drive him home. There are still glimpses.

 

[redflyer65]

It's safe to say, that would have never happened anywhere else.

 

[-9Capt]

Yet, you defend the Tran who did nothing but that..

AirTran never gave me an ultimatum.
AirTran never threatened my employment.
AirTran never used strong arm tactics to downgraded me.
AirTran never threatened me with a "Plan B"
AirTran never signed secret contracts that adversely affected their employees.
AirTran never colluded with their pilots union in an effort to screw over another employee group.
AirTran never grossly disregarded seniority.
***and lastly***
AirTran does not preach the golden rule like a hypocrite.


SW came to ALPA with smiles, a handshake, a rubber duck and a "medallion" and ultimately ended up sticking it up our arse. Some may eventually get over it, but to me, this doesn't make for good, lasting employee relations.

 

[HowardBorden]

The treatment AirTran pilots have received thus far can never be undone. No amount of future goodwill by this airline will ever make up for it. Ask me in ten years and I'll tell you the same. The animosity and resentment will not go away. They created it and I'm forced to live with it.

No one can force you to change your opinions, nor will anyone try. Many have come before you and learned to love it at SWA. It sounds as if you are prepared to just be miserable until retirement. To me that sounds depressing and I can't even imagine trudging to a job week after week, year after year knowing I will never be happy. But again, to each his own. If that is the way you choose to move forward it is certainly your prerogative. In the end no one can change the past and no amount of goodwill can change the future for you, so you seem to be in a very unenviable spot. I sincerely hope your future at SWA ends up better than you are anticipating it will.

 

[-9Capt]

If that is the way you choose to move forward it is certainly your prerogative.

It's not my choice as much as it is the way SW dictated it to be. It was never my choice or desire to work for SW, never mind the massive seniority and loss that was forced upon me for the privilege of doing so.

 

[-9Capt]

I sincerely hope your future at SWA ends up better than you are anticipating it will.

Thanks, me too.

 

[HowardBorden]

It's not my choice as much as it is the way SW dictated it to be. It was never my choice or desire to work for SW, never mind the massive seniority and loss that was forced upon me for the privilege of doing so.

Obviously the acquisition was not your choice. But, how you choose to move forward with a situation over which you have no power to change is your choice. It can be a debilitating burden that you are never able to unload or it can be something much less ominous.

 

[madjack]

I some what agree with -9cpt, GK. should have been more forthcoming about the 717 leaving, the SLI would be very different...

 

[waveflyer]

AirTran never gave me an ultimatum.
AirTran never threatened my employment.
AirTran never used strong arm tactics to downgraded me.
AirTran never threatened me with a "Plan B"
AirTran never signed secret contracts that adversely affected their employees.
AirTran never colluded with their pilots union in an effort to screw over another employee group.
AirTran never grossly disregarded seniority.
***and lastly***
AirTran does not preach the golden rule like a hypocrite.


SW came to ALPA with smiles, a handshake, a rubber duck and a "medallion" and ultimately ended up sticking it up our arse. Some may eventually get over it, but to me, this doesn't make for good, lasting employee relations.

What seniority list would not fit the definition of "screwed" to you? And please be specific. Where would you be on the list.

Every angry tran I know can't answer that question or reveals their unrealistic expectation which drive their unhappiness more than anything.

Air Tran has some ownership in this. You're playing a revisionist history

 

[Dan Roman]

It's safe to say, that would have never happened anywhere else.

No it's not. That kind of individual compassion goes on at other airlines too. They just don't use it to pat themselves on the back.
I agree at the larger airlines you are much more of a " just a number" but there are still plenty of genuine good people that do good things as individuals.