SWA to have a third aircraft?!?

[waveflyer]

Personally I didn't take it as an attack to be called gay- WGAF- but to be called "Steve"???!
Uncalled for!!
(ps- I don't report- that's just not me)

 

[Lear70]

What makes you think the AirTran pilots aren't going to be paying for a type? Talk of probation too.

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

However, type ratings might be undecided for right now. There are most likely discussions of that ongoing and it remains to be seen what will be done with that. It's a pretty hefty financial chunk of change, our 737 F/O's aren't typed (unless they were typed somewhere else) and of course anyone wanting to transition to the 737 would have to be typed. Normally I'd say that Southwest would have to pay for that, but Southwest isn't a typical airline.

The sticky part will be how you deal with current 737 F/O's. How do you force someone to go buy training when they already have the job and neither CBA allows for a pilot to be terminated or displaced because of a type rating purchase. I imagine you'd wind up with a DFR lawsuit against ALPA by our F/O's pretty quickly if they deliberately negotiated away a $7k or $8k chunk of change from their pockets.

The only way I can see around that is if the ARBITRATOR includes it in his decision, and I highly doubt anyone would, as it's not germaine to a SLI decision. But as far as the 717 pilots who transition over at a later date... if it's not because of a displacement... you never know.

Just food for thought.

 

[texman]

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

However, type ratings might be undecided for right now. There are most likely discussions of that ongoing and it remains to be seen what will be done with that. It's a pretty hefty financial chunk of change, our 737 F/O's aren't typed (unless they were typed somewhere else) and of course anyone wanting to transition to the 737 would have to be typed. Normally I'd say that Southwest would have to pay for that, but Southwest isn't a typical airline.

The sticky part will be how you deal with current 737 F/O's. How do you force someone to go buy training when they already have the job and neither CBA allows for a pilot to be terminated or displaced because of a type rating purchase. I imagine you'd wind up with a DFR lawsuit against ALPA by our F/O's pretty quickly if they deliberately negotiated away a $7k or $8k chunk of change from their pockets.

The only way I can see around that is if the ARBITRATOR includes it in his decision, and I highly doubt anyone would, as it's not germaine to a SLI decision. But as far as the 717 pilots who transition over at a later date... if it's not because of a displacement... you never know.

Just food for thought.

Lear and AT bro's. From what I hear, know one will have to have a type nor get one. You will be typed when you upgrade.

 

[Skybus]

I predict you are wrong. The numbers indicate otherwise. A lot will depend on renegotiated leases that SW can demand that AT did hot have to HP to negotiate.

 

[texman]

I predict you are wrong. The numbers indicate otherwise. A lot will depend on renegotiated leases that SW can demand that AT did hot have to HP to negotiate.

Can you elaborate a little.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Probation is a non-starter, it's not even on the table.

The decision will be made by SWA and won't be a negotiated item is what i'd guess. If it is negotiated, I'd be shocked if ALPA was at the table. I'm not even sure ALPA has spoken to anyone of consequence at SWA since the initial meet and greet.

SWA is purchasing AirTran and will offer employment. The ALPA contract will go away and there is 1 year of probation allowed in the SWAPA contract. All AirTran pilots will be new hires by definition so probation is absolutely "on the table." I doubt to many SWA pilots would object and ALPA is of no consequence.

 

[Lear70]

The decision will be made by SWA and won't be a negotiated item is what i'd guess. If it is negotiated, I'd be shocked if ALPA was at the table. I'm not even sure ALPA has spoken to anyone of consequence at SWA since the initial meet and greet.

SWA is purchasing AirTran and will offer employment. The ALPA contract will go away and there is 1 year of probation allowed in the SWAPA contract. All AirTran pilots will be new hires by definition so probation is absolutely "on the table." I doubt to many SWA pilots would object and ALPA is of no consequence.

I'm not even going to justify such an obvious attempt at scare tactics with a rational response. It's just not worth my time to explain why it's not legal in any way, shape, or form.

Nice flamebait, though...

 

[ArcadiaMaxima]

I think it is definitely is on the table
....why would a corporation bring unknowns into their house without a way to get rid of the ones who don't want to play by their rules.....and after the 1 year probation, the unions role is only to make sure the punishment fits the crime....not to keep the job at all cost

 

[Bill Nelson]

It's just not worth my time to explain why it's not legal in any way, shape, or form.

You need to study up if you think there is any law that would keep a company from implementing a probation period on new hire employees. I'm not certain that SWA will require probation but that is the rumor. I am certain that if SWA wants a probation period they will get a probation period just as they do with every other new hire pilot.

 

[Ty Webb]

You need to study up if you think there is any law that would keep a company from implementing a probation period on new hire employees. I'm not certain that SWA will require probation but that is the rumor. I am certain that if SWA wants a probation period they will get a probation period just as they do with every other new hire pilot.

Bill, with this latest bit of stupidity you officially became an FI Idiot. Welcome to my ignore list, your posts have gone "full retard" and are downright offensive.

You can tell me all about my probation when we're flying together.