That's the whole point. It's NOT possible unless OUR union (ALPA) *VOLUNTARILY* agreed to it during the SLI or Process Agreement discussions, which we won't.
Nothing SWA and SWAPA "agree" to can take precedent over our EXISTING CBA (which MV already agreed to uphold) and nothing can force conditions of an SLI unless it's either MUTUALLY agreed to by SWAPA and AAI ALPA *OR* ruled by an arbitrator. That's the law, and people are just going to have to accept that this is going to be done fairly. Putting a 5, 10, or 20 year employee back on probation ain't "fair" by any definition of the word.
I still think this is flamebait and don't really believe any of you really don't understand the RLA and A/M any better than this, but in an integration, NO ONE is a new-hire. They're all EXISTING employees being brought over at their EXISTING longevity.
What I don't understand is why any of you would deliberately post something so inflammatory against your future, fellow coworkers. The more you anger people, the less reasonable they are likely to be in any proposed solution the Merger Committees come up with, thus increasing the odds that this will end up in arbitration.
Why would you do something like that when it's so obviously NOT a possibility? NOT the way to start a working relationship, but I guess it makes for the normal FI pot-stirring drivel, so carry on if it makes you feel better.
That's the whole point. It's NOT possible unless OUR union (ALPA) *VOLUNTARILY* agreed to it during the SLI or Process Agreement discussions, which we won't.
Nothing SWA and SWAPA "agree" to can take precedent over our EXISTING CBA (which MV already agreed to uphold) and nothing can force conditions of an SLI unless it's either MUTUALLY agreed to by SWAPA and AAI ALPA *OR* ruled by an arbitrator. That's the law, and people are just going to have to accept that this is going to be done fairly. Putting a 5, 10, or 20 year employee back on probation ain't "fair" by any definition of the word.
I still think this is flamebait and don't really believe any of you really don't understand the RLA and A/M any better than this, but in an integration, NO ONE is a new-hire. They're all EXISTING employees being brought over at their EXISTING longevity.
What I don't understand is why any of you would deliberately post something so inflammatory against your future, fellow coworkers. The more you anger people, the less reasonable they are likely to be in any proposed solution the Merger Committees come up with, thus increasing the odds that this will end up in arbitration.
Why would you do something like that when it's so obviously NOT a possibility? NOT the way to start a working relationship, but I guess it makes for the normal FI pot-stirring drivel, so carry on if it makes you feel better.
So does that give you the right to a staple?
The moderating on this board has sucked for the past 2 years.
I'll agree, but ALPA has other aspects that help make up for its shortcomings, AERO medical, and legal for example.
What's fair in one person's eyes won't be in another's. That's why yours will wind up in arbitration.
ALPA is a necessary evil. Yes they suck, but they are necessary. Imagine life without a union?
You deliberately sidestepped the point, nicely done.
I don't moderate these threads. I voluntarily stopped moderating the AAI/SWA threads so I could continue to discuss it freely. If you don't like it, you're free not to read it or you can put me on your ignore list, I really don't care either way.
Just as I believe people's opinions stating that AirTran pilots will end up back on probation is pure ******************.
It's very simple Allegheny-Mohawk, which I already mentioned, but you deliberately ignored. Nicely done as well. IF operations are merged, then A/M does not allow for creating new terms of employment or re-triggering probationary periods or any OTHER item contrary to either side's CBA unless *BOTH* sides agree to it OR an arbitrator rules it (which has yet to happen in any pilot arbitration ruling I've ever read).
I absolutely count longevity as a given.
You're more than welcome to contact the webmaster and put in a request to moderate. More help would be appreciated, as it's getting kind of old, the same old idiots who keep violating the ToS, even though they *KNOW* things are violations of the ToS.
Wow. Really? Where is *THAT* written? That an airline can just wholesale abrogate someone's longevity and change it at any time they wish? Wow. Just... wow. (shakes head in disbelief)
Ayuh... Thanks, that's always a difficult thing to do, especially when people are so deliberately trying to stir the pot. So totally unnecessary... Will try to refrain from continuing to debate, thanks for the nudge. :beer:
