SWA to have a third aircraft?!?

[tankerhead]

You've got 88 ( or potentially 108) of the little guys to use as ops and marketing sees fit. No reason both philosophies won't apply.

Wingspan will also be a factor. If you expect to see 300+ daily departures in the ATL, you better be planning on keeping some orphans there.

 

[redflyer65]

The 717 will be placed were it works best, most likely the smaller cities as stated. I believe the GO will keep it kind of range bound like Guppy states.

Why have an aircraft way outside of it's parts supply. Not a bash at AAI, but should be just good business sense for all of us. Dallas is pretty good at logistics.

RF

 

[tankerhead]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

 

[redflyer65]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

I mean range bound with regard to the parts supply only, not the range of the aircraft. To have an aircraft land in Seattle with the compliment of parts supply in the Southeast might not be the wisest business decision.

 

[DonVerita]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

Exactly!

Gup...I understand what you're saying. But it's not like we have parts depots in every city we go to now. Bottom line is, the 717 will transition through maintenace hubs at some point within each day or two. So if it's flying to SEA, it will probably hit OAK, PHX, or DEN. If it's flying to FLL, TPA, or MSY, it will probably hit ATL or DAL. It never will be too far from a MX base somewhere, so therefore having it fly to big markets, medium markets, and small markets is in the realm of possibility.

Remember...the 717 has the same seating capacity as your -300's (or is it the -500's; I can't remember). Does SWA put those 737's in only small markets, or do they put them in most markets and run them on the flights that have less demand than a -700 is suited for?

 

[texman]

Exactly!

Gup...I understand what you're saying. But it's not like we have parts depots in every city we go to now. Bottom line is, the 717 will transition through maintenace hubs at some point within each day or two. So if it's flying to SEA, it will probably hit OAK, PHX, or DEN. If it's flying to FLL, TPA, or MSY, it will probably hit ATL or DAL. It never will be too far from a MX base somewhere, so therefore having it fly to big markets, medium markets, and small markets is in the realm of possibility.

Remember...the 717 has the same seating capacity as your -300's (or is it the -500's; I can't remember). Does SWA put those 737's in only small markets, or do they put them in most markets and run them on the flights that have less demand than a -700 is suited for?

Actually the -500 has more (122). The 717 will be 115 single class.

 

[Kharma Police]

Actually the -500 has more (122). The 717 will be 115 single class.

The 717 currently has 117 with two classes, not sure what kind of seat pitch Southwest uses but I would expect the number of seats to be more than 117 not less?

 

[texman]

The 717 currently has 117 with two classes, not sure what kind of seat pitch Southwest uses but I would expect the number of seats to be more than 117 not less?

Your right. This is what I have heard. What is the coach seat pitch for WN and AT?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Touche big boy!

Now YOUR management thinks Westjet can do it better than Delta! Enjoy watching Westjet fly YOUR customers to Canada while Anderson threatens you with high energy cost contracts.

Gup

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

 

[slaquer5]

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

Now that's just rich. Sound's like your the perfect employee for Airline management. You can care less if DAL is doing the the flying as long has you have lots of destinations . I wonder how many pilots DAL will have on the property in 5 years, with your kind of thinking.
I am sure math is not your stronger point, but roughly DAL had 28 pilots per destination, SWA has 87. Perfect numbers if I was DAL CEO. As a pilot ( if you are one) nothing to be bragging about.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

I think the biggest problem SWA will have in the A T L is the talent pool. Welcome to the jungle boys...

 

[thrasher]

I predict once the extended fences are removed, SWA won't be flying 717's.

 

[dh82dvr]

I predict once the extended fences are removed, SWA won't be flying 717's.

Why??

 

[redflyer65]

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

Wow, that's hilarious coming from a company that has NINE fleet types eating at the bottom line and a pilot contract with a weak scope clause(over 800 Connection airframes).

RF

 

[thrasher]

Kelly wants more seat capacity. The 717 is a dead, nice plane, not much support for the 20 plus years SWA wants to fly their a/c. If SWA flew it to those smaller cities we never intended to serve, it might be hard to turn a profit with no bag fee's and SWA pay rates (Pilots, FA's, ground, and MX etc) across the board. My bet is fence 2-4 years. Everyone keeps their seats even if the master SLI shows otherwise. Fence comes down, Boeing takes the 717 leases back and SWA replaces those with 800's or something bigger, hopefully. SLI integration happens, most (not all) pilots happy

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Now that's just rich. Sound's like your the perfect employee for Airline management. You can care less if DAL is doing the the flying as long has you have lots of destinations . I wonder how many pilots DAL will have on the property in 5 years, with your kind of thinking.

Wrong einstein. I said when you go to over 450 destinations you need some help. We cover the GLOBE, you cover west texas.

I am sure math is not your stronger point, but roughly DAL had 28 pilots per destination, SWA has 87. Perfect numbers if I was DAL CEO. As a pilot ( if you are one) nothing to be bragging about.

Again dip********************, you cover only 1/2 the US....We cover 6 out of 7 continents
I realize math is your strong point, because you used it to pay for your job!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Wow, that's hilarious coming from a company that has NINE fleet types eating at the bottom line and a pilot contract with a weak scope clause(over 800 Connection airframes).

RF

It'll be even more hilarious when you're slinging gear for an AT pilot who DIDN'T pay for his type!

I realize you expended most of your math skills in paying for for your training, but check again, on howmany connection airframes there are. And now many more are parking.

 

[Bill Nelson]

It'll be even more hilarious when you're slinging gear for an AT pilot who DIDN'T pay for his type!

What makes you think the AirTran pilots aren't going to be paying for a type? Talk of probation too.

 

[slaquer5]

Wrong einstein. I said when you go to over 450 destinations you need some help. We cover the GLOBE, you cover west texas.


Again dip********************, you cover only 1/2 the US....We cover 6 out of 7 continents
I realize math is your strong point, because you used it to pay for your job!

Wow do you eat with that mouth. I can only imagine what some SWA pilot did to your wife

 

[redflyer65]

but check again, on howmany connection airframes there are. And now many more are parking.

Let me check my math skills...

880 down to around 800 airframes is STILL a lot of airframes! Haha.

I love it when you and General start talking about the RJ reductions to come. It's like adding a drop of water to the ocean. Good luck with that 'Scope out RJ's', which is the most ironic name I've ever heard for a Delta guy...who likes bashing SW. Which doesn't have ANY RJ's. Just classic.

The NINE airframe 'synergies' are really starting to hit home for Anderson. It looked good on paper to right size the routes and the aircraft, but at the end of the day when you see all those extra parts sitting around....well, not so much.