SWA to have a third aircraft?!?

[texman]

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ne...s-to-have-answers-this-year-from-boeing/page1

It sounds like the Airtran 717's will just serve the small markets. I think it will be a larger aircraft than a 737-800.

 

[XR650R]

Inevitable. I wouldn't be surprised to see SWA identified as the launch customer for Boeing's next gen narrow body airliner that is supposed to be announced soon. (Paris Air Show in June maybe?)

 

[Quimby]

Inevitable. I wouldn't be surprised to see SWA identified as the launch customer for Boeing's next gen narrow body airliner that is supposed to be announced soon. (Paris Air Show in June maybe?)

Impossible. Gen. Lee has stated for years that SWA will only fly 737's.

 

[redflyer65]

..and said that Southwest is incapable of flying international.

Pretty much puts this story to rest I guess.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Impossible. Gen. Lee has stated for years that SWA will only fly 737's.

No, we're buying greyhound, after years of everyone stating we were the Greyhound of the skys, just saw where they have wifi onboard! We are calling it "southwest express", in order to get hired for mainline, you'll have to drive a bus for two years (their will be a training contract (remember those))!


International, heck, we are planing service to Mexico and Canada from our new Southwest express hubs of MSP, SEA, ELP and LBB (that one just for GL!) theres even rumors of interisland service with submarines, but rumor has it that they'll go very senior...if anyone sees a "southwest express" submarine anywhere in the islands, please post a picture, rumor has it they've been seen there!
Good luck to all,
Kbb

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Ugggg. Are they going to force Boeing to make a "6-pack" version?

I just see the press release now: "We here at Boeing have come up with a totally new aircraft with some great new . . . wait, what's that SWA? You don't want the new stuff? No autothrottles. . . well, okay. . . analog? But Airbus . . . Ummm, okay. . . "

"We here at Boeing are proud to announce something totally new . . . for the 1980s."

 

[DonVerita]

It is tentatively called the Boeing 797. We'll know for sure at the Paris Air Show. Agreed that SWA/ATN will probably be the launch customer.

I highly doubt that the 717's will be only in smaller markets. They will probably be put on "market segments" that support the number of seats. For example MSP-MCO may have 5 R/T's a day. On 3 of those flights, demand may be high, so you put a 737, or even a 737-800 on those. On 2 of those flights the demand may be a little less, so you put a 717.

 

[On Your Six]

And you will turn 738s in ATL in 20 mins! Riiiiiight. Lot's of cockiness, no proof. The only reason SWA pilots will get to do International flights is because the Airtran guys will show them the way. Your management until recently thought Westjet and Volaris guys could do it better. You need to bring your excitement back down 3 or 4 levels, and start thanking GK for his decision to merge with Airtran.


OYS

 

[Wesb737fo]

Well.....the shareholders agree as well

 

[GuppyWN]

Your management until recently thought Westjet guys could do it better. You need to bring your excitement back down 3 or 4 levels.
OYS

Touche big boy!

Now YOUR management thinks Westjet can do it better than Delta! Enjoy watching Westjet fly YOUR customers to Canada while Anderson threatens you with high energy cost contracts.

Gup

 

[texman]

It is tentatively called the Boeing 797. We'll know for sure at the Paris Air Show. Agreed that SWA/ATN will probably be the launch customer.

I highly doubt that the 717's will be only in smaller markets. They will probably be put on "market segments" that support the number of seats. For example MSP-MCO may have 5 R/T's a day. On 3 of those flights, demand may be high, so you put a 737, or even a 737-800 on those. On 2 of those flights the demand may be a little less, so you put a 717.

Not trying to be a smart azz, but SWA will be the launch customer.LOL! I think the 717 will be in the majority of smaller markets. You boy's and girls just wait till SWA gets a hold of AT's aircraft.

 

[redflyer65]

Lot's of cockiness, no proof.

OYS

That's funny, I thought you were talking about some of the Delta flamers on here.

 

[ivauir]

Ugggg. Are they going to force Boeing to make a "6-pack" version?

I just see the press release now: "We here at Boeing have come up with a totally new aircraft with some great new . . . wait, what's that SWA? You don't want the new stuff? No autothrottles. . . well, okay. . . analog? But Airbus . . . Ummm, okay. . . "

"We here at Boeing are proud to announce something totally new . . . for the 1980s."

You haven't been paying attention have you?

 

[CA1900]

No, we're buying greyhound...

Hey, don't laugh:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/southwest-airlines-now-taking-passengers-to-destin,2429/

:laugh:

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Touche big boy!

Now YOUR management thinks Westjet can do it better than Delta! Enjoy watching Westjet fly YOUR customers to Canada while Anderson threatens you with high energy cost contracts.

Gup

That's hilarious!
Kbb

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

Hey, don't laugh:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/southwest-airlines-now-taking-passengers-to-destin,2429/

:laugh:

Who you think the guy is on I-10!
Kbb

 

[DonVerita]

Not trying to be a smart azz, but SWA will be the launch customer.LOL! I think the 717 will be in the majority of smaller markets. You boy's and girls just wait till SWA gets a hold of AT's aircraft.

Just goes to show how much you think you know.

Why would you run a 717 on a segment (notice I didn't say "market") that is better suited for a 737 and vice versa? SWA runs 737's all day between FLL and ISP. That's a smaller market. If the loads call for 737 lift, then that's what you will see on that segment. If a 717 would better match the load at certain times of the day, then that's what you'll see. I remember when Delta (prior to their big Int'l expansion) ran 767's between JAX and ATL. And they were full. We will most likely see 717's in most markets; but not on all segments within a market.

Yes, we are waiting to see how well the new merged airline will run; great enthusiasm abounds.

 

[GuppyWN]

Don,

Think. Do you want to buy a parts inventory for 71 jets and scatter it around the country or keep your chicks close to the nest?

Gup

 

[texman]

Just goes to show how much you think you know.

Why would you run a 717 on a segment (notice I didn't say "market") that is better suited for a 737 and vice versa? SWA runs 737's all day between FLL and ISP. That's a smaller market. If the loads call for 737 lift, then that's what you will see on that segment. If a 717 would better match the load at certain times of the day, then that's what you'll see. I remember when Delta (prior to their big Int'l expansion) ran 767's between JAX and ATL. And they were full. We will most likely see 717's in most markets; but not on all segments within a market.

Yes, we are waiting to see how well the new merged airline will run; great enthusiasm abounds.

Come on Don! I had Gary tell me and about 50 other crew members and VP's "we want to use the 717's in smaller markets all over the U.S. to be more competitive with ALG and JB". This was at a dinner in oct, and the other week again in dallas. Just stating facts.

 

[nimtz]

You haven't been paying attention have you?

Yeah come on guys give LUV credit for making major technological strides! Welcome to 1996 AD LUV Guppy Drivers!

 

[tankerhead]

You've got 88 ( or potentially 108) of the little guys to use as ops and marketing sees fit. No reason both philosophies won't apply.

Wingspan will also be a factor. If you expect to see 300+ daily departures in the ATL, you better be planning on keeping some orphans there.

 

[redflyer65]

The 717 will be placed were it works best, most likely the smaller cities as stated. I believe the GO will keep it kind of range bound like Guppy states.

Why have an aircraft way outside of it's parts supply. Not a bash at AAI, but should be just good business sense for all of us. Dallas is pretty good at logistics.

RF

 

[tankerhead]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

 

[redflyer65]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

I mean range bound with regard to the parts supply only, not the range of the aircraft. To have an aircraft land in Seattle with the compliment of parts supply in the Southeast might not be the wisest business decision.

 

[DonVerita]

Being range-bound has nothing to do with small markets.

It's obviously a short to medium range jet. It also obviously makes sense to keep it in both large and small markets when demand doesn't dictate more than 117 seats.

Exactly!

Gup...I understand what you're saying. But it's not like we have parts depots in every city we go to now. Bottom line is, the 717 will transition through maintenace hubs at some point within each day or two. So if it's flying to SEA, it will probably hit OAK, PHX, or DEN. If it's flying to FLL, TPA, or MSY, it will probably hit ATL or DAL. It never will be too far from a MX base somewhere, so therefore having it fly to big markets, medium markets, and small markets is in the realm of possibility.

Remember...the 717 has the same seating capacity as your -300's (or is it the -500's; I can't remember). Does SWA put those 737's in only small markets, or do they put them in most markets and run them on the flights that have less demand than a -700 is suited for?

 

[texman]

Exactly!

Gup...I understand what you're saying. But it's not like we have parts depots in every city we go to now. Bottom line is, the 717 will transition through maintenace hubs at some point within each day or two. So if it's flying to SEA, it will probably hit OAK, PHX, or DEN. If it's flying to FLL, TPA, or MSY, it will probably hit ATL or DAL. It never will be too far from a MX base somewhere, so therefore having it fly to big markets, medium markets, and small markets is in the realm of possibility.

Remember...the 717 has the same seating capacity as your -300's (or is it the -500's; I can't remember). Does SWA put those 737's in only small markets, or do they put them in most markets and run them on the flights that have less demand than a -700 is suited for?

Actually the -500 has more (122). The 717 will be 115 single class.

 

[Kharma Police]

Actually the -500 has more (122). The 717 will be 115 single class.

The 717 currently has 117 with two classes, not sure what kind of seat pitch Southwest uses but I would expect the number of seats to be more than 117 not less?

 

[texman]

The 717 currently has 117 with two classes, not sure what kind of seat pitch Southwest uses but I would expect the number of seats to be more than 117 not less?

Your right. This is what I have heard. What is the coach seat pitch for WN and AT?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Touche big boy!

Now YOUR management thinks Westjet can do it better than Delta! Enjoy watching Westjet fly YOUR customers to Canada while Anderson threatens you with high energy cost contracts.

Gup

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

 

[slaquer5]

Since we fly to 450 destinations on 6 continents of course we have to have some help.
Since you fly to 71 destinations in 36 states, I would sure hope you have your own flying in house.

Now that's just rich. Sound's like your the perfect employee for Airline management. You can care less if DAL is doing the the flying as long has you have lots of destinations . I wonder how many pilots DAL will have on the property in 5 years, with your kind of thinking.
I am sure math is not your stronger point, but roughly DAL had 28 pilots per destination, SWA has 87. Perfect numbers if I was DAL CEO. As a pilot ( if you are one) nothing to be bragging about.