SWA to have a third aircraft?!?

[Lear70]

The moderating on this board has sucked for the past 2 years.

You're more than welcome to contact the webmaster and put in a request to moderate. More help would be appreciated, as it's getting kind of old, the same old idiots who keep violating the ToS, even though they *KNOW* things are violations of the ToS.

Then again, I'm getting a little "punchy" and probably need to take a FI vacation for a little while. The hostility I'm seeing on here every day probably has more than a little to do with it... :/

 

[Bill Nelson]

I have *YET* to see a recent arbitrated SLI that resulted in a pilot having longevity taken from them for the purposes of pay and/or probation.

You won't ever see one either. Longevity as it applies to pay and/or probation are outside the scope of any A/M arbitration. Those items will be left up to the surviving carrier and will not be decided by an arbitrator in an A/M SLI arbitration.

 

[ASADFW7]

This thread is winding people way too tight. Step back a little and unwind as this is old news.

 

[ChinaClipper]

Hey Trannies! Be glad you didn't get "Frontierized" BTW We also know a BUNCH more about Arbitration, A-M LLP's, "career expectation" and a whole HOST of RLA related mumbo jumbo! Better negotiate this one out! Lest you end up in Eischen's House of Pain! Just sayin'.....

 

[Lear70]

You won't ever see one either. Longevity as it applies to pay and/or probation are outside the scope of any A/M arbitration. Those items will be left up to the surviving carrier and will not be decided by an arbitrator in an A/M SLI arbitration.

Wow. Really? Where is *THAT* written? That an airline can just wholesale abrogate someone's longevity and change it at any time they wish? Wow. Just... wow. (shakes head in disbelief)

This thread is winding people way too tight. Step back a little and unwind as this is old news.

Ayuh... Thanks, that's always a difficult thing to do, especially when people are so deliberately trying to stir the pot. So totally unnecessary... Will try to refrain from continuing to debate, thanks for the nudge. :beer:

 

[Bob Dylan]

Wow. Really? Where is *THAT* written? That an airline can just wholesale abrogate someone's longevity and change it at any time they wish? Wow. Just... wow. (shakes head in disbelief)

Won't you be getting a HUGE pay raise if you go over?

Yeah, feel so sorry for your new fortune.

 

[FlyinGuy]

You can't just screw over one segment of the merging employee groups simply because you might wish to. Again, I'm shocked one group of pilots would wish to do that to another.

I absolutely count longevity as a given.

I don't know why you guys are so anxious to try to screw another group of pilots over. Pretty crappy thing to wish on someone, quite frankly. YMMV

No one is anxious to screw the AT pilots. Why can't you get that through your head. In your excitement, you are continually blinded by the fact that your group has everything to gain and SWA pilots have everything to loose. Twist that however you want to, but this has been a fact every since the beginning.

There is nothing I want more than to have a great company after this is over. I have not flown with or talked with one person that wishes to "screw" the AT pilots. Every SWA pilot I talk to is concerned about this deal. No one is excited!!! That speaks volumes......

 

[Music]

No one is anxious to screw the AT pilots. Why can't you get that through your head. In your excitement, you are continually blinded by the fact that your group has everything to gain and SWA pilots have everything to loose. Twist that however you want to, but this has been a fact every since the beginning.

There is nothing I want more than to have a great company after this is over. I have not flown with or talked with one person that wishes to "screw" the AT pilots. Every SWA pilot I talk to is concerned about this deal. No one is excited!!! That speaks volumes......

While I have no doubt that what you're saying is true, the fact of the matter remains that the majority of comments made on this website are anti-AT. Whether flame bait or not, honestly it's shocking to see the lack of civility and humanity displayed here by some.

 

[Tripower455]

While I have no doubt that what you're saying is true, the fact of the matter remains that the majority of comments made on this website are anti-AT. Whether flame bait or not, honestly it's shocking to see the lack of civility and humanity displayed here by some.

LOL...

You obviously haven't read a majority of the comments made on this website. SW bashing has been raised to an art form around here.

The AT guys are lauded as underdog "heroes" and potential "victims" of SWAPA if they don't get their cake and eat ours too.

As for the AT deal.........

The vast majority of SWA pilots want this deal to simply go away. Nothing personal, no "bashing" of AT guys, but as has been stated, WE (SW pilots) have little to gain, and a lot of seniority to lose in this deal.

In spite of their 180 degree attitude change on 9/27 (before which there were guys, including some of the most vocal AT'ers on here, were virtually begging for a staple), it is still ALL gain, regardless of the final deal, for the AT guys.

Going by the commentary on this forum, we're expected to sacrifice our seniority, (which is the only thing we can possibly gain from this), so that the AT guys don't lose any of theirs, yet they still get the huge contractual gains that come with our contract. When we question it, we're the bad guys. "Fair and equitable" is just that.

What's worse, a bad SLI solution, or an "southEast vs. southWest" situation? I guess that depends on which side you're on.

Forgive us (fat chance around here) if we're not dancing in the streets.

 

[Cometman]

Wow. Really? Where is *THAT* written? That an airline can just wholesale abrogate someone's longevity and change it at any time they wish? Wow. Just... wow. (shakes head in disbelief)


Why is that so hard to believe. You are being bought by another company. You no longer will have longevity with your company and you will have ZERO with the new company. Just because you will be on the SLID doesn't mean you get longevity. Relax, you are still making out good. Nobody said you will not get it but it is something that SWA will decide not you or any laws that you seem to be quoting.

 

[SWA/CA]

Why is that so hard to believe. You are being bought by another company. You no longer will have longevity with your company and you will have ZERO with the new company. Just because you will be on the SLID doesn't mean you get longevity. Relax, you are still making out good. Nobody said you will not get it but it is something that SWA will decide not you or any laws that you seem to be quoting.

Ouch!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Relax bubba. They will keep their longevity and you will keep your seniority (percentage wise that is). Everyone will be happy.

Wow. Really? Where is *THAT* written? That an airline can just wholesale abrogate someone's longevity and change it at any time they wish? Wow. Just... wow. (shakes head in disbelief)


Why is that so hard to believe. You are being bought by another company. You no longer will have longevity with your company and you will have ZERO with the new company. Just because you will be on the SLID doesn't mean you get longevity. Relax, you are still making out good. Nobody said you will not get it but it is something that SWA will decide not you or any laws that you seem to be quoting.

 

[funnyman12]

Hey guys.....my comments on here are well thought out and honest and I definately dont bash SWA or any other airline. If I had no life and decided to read every post and do a tally of who "bashes" whom more, I would imagine my research would show that Airtran is "bashed" many many times more than SW is. I do know that there are folks on here that are not employees of where they claim to be, which is sad that anyone has the time to play in imagination land. As for the actual employees that "bash" each other......well that doesn't help creating a healthy culture. I'm confident that the unions will work something out that gives everyone a pretty fair SLI. Telling Airtran pilots that a staple is fair, or I'm going to be on probation, or lose longevity are pretty rotten things to say to another pilot. If the Airtran pilots agreed to anything remotely close to that, the rest of the airline industry would claim that Airtran/SWA "once again ruined the industry". The result of this integration/SLI will affect all the airline industry. In the short term, Jetblue and Alaska may be acquired. That could set a precedent for a staple of a healthy airline. Lets imagine that SW/AAI integration took many years and costed many times more that projected. 10 years later SW doesn't grow and a legacy attempts to purchase us. It would be sad for them use this future SLI as collateral in justifying a poor SLI for this ficticious acquisition in 10 years. Food for thought.

 

[Ty Webb]

Cometman, in the real world things don't work that way . . . if you really don't understand it, educate yourself about the AirTran CBA, successorship, McCaskill Bond, etc. instead of just telegraphing your ignorant fantasies for everyone to see.

It's obvious what you are trying to "accomplish" here, but I think you're going to find that this type of action will have the opposite effect. . . . People who are normally reasonable and fair-minded read stuff like this and say, "Well, if that's how you feel about us, screw you, we'll take it to the mat".

Of course, no one can tell you anything, Cometman, Bob Dylan, Orangebelly, Bill Nelson and pals, so keep on doing what you're doing, but don't be surprised when you reap what you sow.

TW

 

[Cometman]

Cometman, in the real world things don't work that way . . . if you really don't understand it, educate yourself about the AirTran CBA, successorship, McCaskill Bond, etc. instead of just telegraphing your ignorant fantasies for everyone to see.

It's obvious what you are trying to "accomplish" here, but I think you're going to find that this type of action will have the opposite effect. . . . People who are normally reasonable and fair-minded read stuff like this and say, "Well, if that's how you feel about us, screw you, we'll take it to the mat".

Of course, no one can tell you anything, Cometman, Bob Dylan, Orangebelly, Bill Nelson and pals, so keep on doing what you're doing, but don't be surprised when you reap what you sow.

TW

Thanks for explaining it. I am so glad you are here to straighten things out. However, time will tell. Did you go to the same law school as Lear70? I think you once mentioned that longevity is different than seniority. I guess you changed your mind on that subject. Have a good day. And again thanks for keeping everybody straight on these things. We would really be in a bad situation without your expertise.