SWA to have a Q1 loss?

[j41driver]

Copy the cool down. We have the same issue on the 717s. I believe our 737 guys are approved to shut them down right after landing. Not sure how that works. Maybe we're spending our fuel money on more engine mx....

 

[a320drivr]

SE taxi is huge at the bluejet. The problem is we save the company a ton of money but all they do is line their own pockets and jack our healthcare, have the worst retirement, LTD, etc of any major.

 

[humveedriver]

Copy the cool down. We have the same issue on the 717s. I believe our 737 guys are approved to shut them down right after landing. Not sure how that works. Maybe we're spending our fuel money on more engine mx....

The procedure is; as long as you use normal power settings (not super gusty) and idle reverse ( 7500ft + runway, no tailwind) you can shut one engine down after landing. Shutting the engine down does not take precedence over ATC instructions, holding short of active runways nor are you required to shut it down if you think you'll need it for crossing a landing runway, contaminated taxiways, tight turns/maneuvering.

 

[msmb]

Who needs engine cool down... Really. Good luck with that.

 

[737tanker]

Prussian
I talked with an Asst CP and a Ckeck Airman and they both said that single engine taxi from the gate and into the gate is coming, there is just to many changes happening now to change the taxi procedure as well. After leaving the gate the F/O will start the 2nd engine when we are 2-3 minutes from takeoff. After landing the procedure will be the one that humveedriver described.

 

[PCL_128]

Prussian
I talked with an Asst CP and a Ckeck Airman and they both said that single engine taxi from the gate and into the gate is coming, there is just to many changes happening now to change the taxi procedure as well. After leaving the gate the F/O will start the 2nd engine when we are 2-3 minutes from takeoff. ASfter landing the procedure will be the one that humveedriver described.

Good news! More money for profit sharing checks.

 

[On Your Six]

Good news! More money for profit sharing checks.

What are you guys hearing about the 717s? We hear they may be in play again, sooner.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[PCL_128]

What are you guys hearing about the 717s? We hear they may be in play again, sooner.

What are we hearing? We're hearing that you're nothing but a flame baiting troll.

But if you want actual facts, listen to CFO Laura Wright from last week's conference:

"They (the B717s) are on lease with Boeing, and we are comfortable with the terms we have on those leases. If there was an opportunity that made sense from an economic stand point to reduce that fleet, we would certainly look at it, but we currently have the intent to continue to operate that fleet. With 88 airplanes, we feel like we can do it efficiently and economically."

 

[redflyer65]

What are we hearing? We're hearing that you're nothing but a flame baiting troll.

[/I]

Awesome. And true.

 

[humveedriver]

I don't think OYS knows what public negotiations look like. In this case Boeing and SWA.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't think OYS knows what public negotiations look like. In this case Boeing and SWA.

Boeing also may owe an airline millions for late fees for a certain widebody. Air India is asking for $500 million now from Boeing for the same plane type. Your CFO announced a possible loss, and these rumors come up. I heard our guy at the same conference said regarding a question about those 717s "no comment.". That might say A LOT. Just asking..... Maybe you would replace them one for one with 737s?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[dicko]

disregard. My comprehension is poor today.

 

[Whataburger]

Any chance of not responding to OYS at all? Group effort.

 

[On Your Six]

Any chance of not responding to OYS at all? Group effort.

You don't have to respond, but the rumors are out there. Btw, I don't wish anything bad on anyone. Eventually your 717s will be replaced, hopefully one for one with 737s. Maybe we can get them afterwards.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[WalterSobchak]

Any chance of not responding to OYS at all? Group effort.

Easy as pie:

This message is hidden because On Your Six is on your ignore list.

 

[LearLove]

"They (the B717s) are on lease with Boeing, and we are comfortable with the terms we have on those leases. If there was an opportunity that made sense from an economic stand point to reduce that fleet, we would certainly look at it, but we currently have the intent to continue to operate that fleet. With 88 airplanes, we feel like we can do it efficiently and economically."[/I]

Translation: if someone is willing to give us enough money for these airplanes then they are for sale. Right now no one is making an offer so we will operate them.

everything and everyone has its price.

 

[Beetle007]

So Southwest pilots have to start both engines before they can start taxiing? Does the company make you sit there while the second engine starts?

 

[mokitty]

So Southwest pilots have to start both engines before they can start taxiing? Does the company make you sit there while the second engine starts?

No, we don't just sit there. We monitor the second engine start and have a verbal ballet between the captain and FO, to include a little air for our customers known as "isolating and ventilating".

 

[On Your Six]

What are we hearing? We're hearing that you're nothing but a flame baiting troll.

But if you want actual facts, listen to CFO Laura Wright from last week's conference:

"They (the B717s) are on lease with Boeing, and we are comfortable with the terms we have on those leases. If there was an opportunity that made sense from an economic stand point to reduce that fleet, we would certainly look at it, but we currently have the intent to continue to operate that fleet. With 88 airplanes, we feel like we can do it efficiently and economically."

Flame baiting troll?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[PCL_128]

Yeah, flame baiting troll. All you do is instigate fights between SWA and Delta pilots. Granted, some of the SWA guys certainly don't help, but you're the one that starts all of it. I know it must be boring living in your mom's basement, but certainly you can find better ways to spend your time.

 

[SWA717]

He lives in his mom's basement? I thought he lived in a van down by the river. Ah nevermind, that's someone else.

 

[On Your Six]

Yeah, flame baiting troll. All you do is instigate fights between SWA and Delta pilots. Granted, some of the SWA guys certainly don't help, but you're the one that starts all of it. I know it must be boring living in your mom's basement, but certainly you can find better ways to spend your time.

You said you knew "the ACTUAL facts" and now it seems like you might be wrong. I told you I was hearing rumors, and you shot me down. Admit it, it will set you free. Have a great day, and my Mom says hi.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[waveflyer]

As for SE taxi-
Everyone who has operated anywhere else supports it+ some who haven't- the few that don't, like Prussian, seem to be regurgitating the common defense-
Had RJ FOs starting engine's routinely in and out of all kinds of airports (way more diverse flying than WN) and it was fine. It's not like other airlines don't have the same stuff to do before takeoff-
So how much credibility do we lose when everyone from the 20 year olds to other majors do it safely every day and we play the safety card ??

Agree with PCL and many other posters here- to not SE taxi is ridiculous

 

[scoreboardII]

playing with fire, we'll need to add a "both engines on" checklist before T/O.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

playing with fire, we'll need to add a "both engines on" checklist before T/O.

We (AT) have at least one attempt at SE t/o.

 

[On Your Six]

Did the Q1 potential loss cause this?




Gary Kelly won't discuss rumors that Delta will take its Boeing 717s



Terry Maxon/Reporter /aviationblog.dallasnews.com
5:11 PM on Wed., Mar. 21, 2012




Southwest Airlines picked up a fleet of 88 Boeing 717s when it acquired AirTran Airways last May. Chairman and chief executive officer Gary Kelly a few months later allowed that the 117-seat 717s didn't fit into Southwest's fleet type and that he'd rather fly only the bigger Boeing 737.
A rumor out of an industry meeting in Phoenix has Delta Air Lines as an interested acquirer of the AirTran aircraft. So we took the opportunity to ask Kelly during a media scrum Wednesday after Southwest's celebration of its first Boeing 737-800:

Us: Are you close to deal to send the Boeing 717s to Delta?
Kelly: "It's a rumor, so I don't comment on rumors."
Us: How about speculation?
Kelly: "I can't speculate, either."
Us: When do you think you might have closure on that rumor?
Kelly: "I can't comment. What I would say is that 717 is a fine airplane. We would be better suited with all 737s. If anything, we think our future is with bigger airplanes, not smaller. There's no secret that we're looking for a way to accelerate the retirement of the 717s out of our fleet. But in any event, we're going to operate the 717s for years. Otherwise, I'm aware of the rumors and I can't comment."
Last week at an investment conference, Delta president Ed Bastian carefully answered a question about Delta's possible interest in the AirTran 717s.
"We are looking at all arrangements, and we've taken note that Southwest has indicated a desire to exit the fleet," Bastian said at the J.P. Morgan conference. "I can't tell you whether that's going to be a decision Delta can take or not."



Godspeed!

The OYSter

 

[laker4284]

As for SE taxi-
Everyone who has operated anywhere else supports it+ some who haven't- the few that don't, like Prussian, seem to be regurgitating the common defense-
Had RJ FOs starting engine's routinely in and out of all kinds of airports (way more diverse flying than WN) and it was fine. It's not like other airlines don't have the same stuff to do before takeoff-
So how much credibility do we lose when everyone from the 20 year olds to other majors do it safely every day and we play the safety card ??

Agree with PCL and many other posters here- to not SE taxi is ridiculous

#2 for takeoff about 6 months ago and watched an RJ start his takeoff roll, then abort. Turns out he-she-they forgot to start the second engine.

Bizarre mistakes can can happen because of hurrying, inexperience or fatigue. Mebbe SWA is just being very conservative?