SWA to have a Q1 loss?

[msmb]

Im not a hater (I turned down a job at SW), it is a great airline, but the highest employee costs in the industry will catch up with them. Good luck. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Hpilot]

Im not a hater (I turned down a job at SW), it is a great airline, but the highest employee costs in the industry will catch up with them. Good luck. I hope I'm wrong.

If you don't mind me asking, where did you go? Alaska and Delta are the only carriers I can think of putting ahead of Southwest.

 

[StarrBuck]

THE SKY IS FALLING AT SWA!! It makes me laugh when the "oh, there ya go, you guys should be charging bags and pissing off all of the customers like WE do crowd" chimes in.. Just got back from recurrent training and Southwest is very much convinced that we are actually making MORE money by NOT pissing off every customer that shows up with a bag, than we would be by charging the bag fees.. Oil is up, profit is down.. big deal.. And as far as "the highest employee cost" comment above.. Our flight operations cost per seat mile is still WAY low.. We make good bucks, but we have to earn it..

 

[redflyer65]

I'm still doubling down on the SW stock.

Think about it.

Would you want to invest in an airline that already does wide range international and covers almost every corner of the world, or..

One that hasn't even broke out of the 48 contiguous states and is just now instituting a 737-800 series that can easily take them to Hawaii, Alaska, Canada and deep into Central and South America?

Plus adding 6 more seats to their existing 700 line.

Could get interesting.

 

[JetMonkey]

I have no ill feelings towards SWA, great fantastic airline. My wife works there so there's an interest from me for them to continue their success even though I work at the competition. Am I jealous? Only of their paychecks!

 

[msmb]

If you don't mind me asking, where did you go? Alaska and Delta are the only carriers I can think of putting ahead of Southwest.

Alaska. I hope to upgrade faster....time will tell if I made the right decision.

 

[ron burgundy]

THE SKY IS FALLING AT SWA!! It makes me laugh when the "oh, there ya go, you guys should be charging bags and pissing off all of the customers like WE do crowd" chimes in.. Just got back from recurrent training and Southwest is very much convinced that we are actually making MORE money by NOT pissing off every customer that shows up with a bag, than we would be by charging the bag fees.. Oil is up, profit is down.. big deal.. And as far as "the highest employee cost" comment above.. Our flight operations cost per seat mile is still WAY low.. We make good bucks, but we have to earn it..

Just got back from recurrent training and Southwest is very much convinced


So ...If they are very much convinced that you need to take a pay cut, will you be so receptive to their opinion? If so,to what degree?

 

[ron burgundy]

Oh yeah....and I'm jealous................YADA,YADA,YADA

 

[Sandhawk]

Only airline to Taxi still with BOTH eng running. Really smart.

Well, yeah... You can accelerate out of the corner faster with both turning!

 

[4day]

Well, yeah... You can accelerate out of the corner faster with both turning!

Tru Dat, Tru Dat. Welcome to the A T L...

 

[Abernathy]

Im not a hater (I turned down a job at SW), it is a great airline, but the highest employee costs in the industry will catch up with them. Good luck. I hope I'm wrong.

Airlines would still manage to lose money every quarter even if they paid their pilots with diet cokes from the galley.

The problem isn't the pay. It's the de-regulated system and management teams that are in it for themselves. Southwest was always the exception.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

The problem isn't the pay. It's the de-regulated system and management teams that are in it for themselves. Southwest was always the exception.

Without deregulation, Southwest wouldn't exist.

 

[scoreboardII]

Untrue, deregulation let SWA go outside TX.

 

[becket]

Baffling. Curious if the SWA pilots support taxiing with both running?

Of course they support it! How else can they get up to 85kts on the taxi out?!

 

[Fox-Tree]

Taxiing with both motors is stupid, says this SWA pilot.

That is supposed to change soon. Let's at least hope so.

So, the hold up is....what?
Gotta finish the CBT and do it in the sim first?

 

[StarrBuck]

Anybody know?... have an interview July 19th. Already typed..if all goes well. what type of class date could I expect? I hear not till after the first of the year. Sound about right to you?

Thanks for any and all info!

Ron.. Sorry bud, hope you don't have hard feelings although it looks like that's not the case.. And to answer your question.. I wouldn't be convinced if they wanted a paycut. Thankfully that hasn't happened.. And I'm not saying the bag fee situation is correct.. Only that that is what they believe.. Based on their history.. They usually get it right..

 

[ron burgundy]

Ron.. Sorry bud, hope you don't have hard feelings although it looks like that's not the case.. And to answer your question.. I wouldn't be convinced if they wanted a paycut. Thankfully that hasn't happened.. And I'm not saying the bag fee situation is correct.. Only that that is what they believe.. Based on their history.. They usually get it right..

No Buck..no hard feelings. Didn't work out...nature of the business. Overall,I have been somewhat fortunate. It's just the way it sounded...You were there and telling us what the company believed,like you had no thoughts on the subject and whatever they believe/tell you is gospel. I am sure that is not the case. Thoughts and ideas sometime get lost in text. And ..yes..I would have loved to work at SWA. I am not going through my life bitter because I don't.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Untrue, deregulation let SWA go outside TX.

So, without deregulation they would have about five airplanes flying between Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Deregulation gave life to the LCC.

And it was the begining of the end of this profession, it has just taken thirty years to unfold.

 

[N1atEcon]

BR715.
The only sick call abuse is the unethical guys who forget who is signing their paychecks and putting food in their kids mouths. They call in sick only to pick up to up their TFP total. It is disgusting watching these guys do it month after month. There was a guy who finally ran out and actually needed it (for real this time). "I am sorry you have bills to pay, but you have no sick bank" was the CP response. As a whole the pilot group is one of the lowest sick call employee groups of SWA. The FA's and rampers are by far the worst.

 

[canyonblue]

And it was the begining of the end of this profession, it has just taken thirty years to unfold.

NO, it was your RJ that was the beginning and end of this profession. :smash: