SWA to have a Q1 loss?

[Abernathy]

Im not a hater (I turned down a job at SW), it is a great airline, but the highest employee costs in the industry will catch up with them. Good luck. I hope I'm wrong.

Airlines would still manage to lose money every quarter even if they paid their pilots with diet cokes from the galley.

The problem isn't the pay. It's the de-regulated system and management teams that are in it for themselves. Southwest was always the exception.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

The problem isn't the pay. It's the de-regulated system and management teams that are in it for themselves. Southwest was always the exception.

Without deregulation, Southwest wouldn't exist.

 

[scoreboardII]

Untrue, deregulation let SWA go outside TX.

 

[becket]

Baffling. Curious if the SWA pilots support taxiing with both running?

Of course they support it! How else can they get up to 85kts on the taxi out?!

 

[Fox-Tree]

Taxiing with both motors is stupid, says this SWA pilot.

That is supposed to change soon. Let's at least hope so.

So, the hold up is....what?
Gotta finish the CBT and do it in the sim first?

 

[StarrBuck]

Anybody know?... have an interview July 19th. Already typed..if all goes well. what type of class date could I expect? I hear not till after the first of the year. Sound about right to you?

Thanks for any and all info!

Ron.. Sorry bud, hope you don't have hard feelings although it looks like that's not the case.. And to answer your question.. I wouldn't be convinced if they wanted a paycut. Thankfully that hasn't happened.. And I'm not saying the bag fee situation is correct.. Only that that is what they believe.. Based on their history.. They usually get it right..

 

[ron burgundy]

Ron.. Sorry bud, hope you don't have hard feelings although it looks like that's not the case.. And to answer your question.. I wouldn't be convinced if they wanted a paycut. Thankfully that hasn't happened.. And I'm not saying the bag fee situation is correct.. Only that that is what they believe.. Based on their history.. They usually get it right..

No Buck..no hard feelings. Didn't work out...nature of the business. Overall,I have been somewhat fortunate. It's just the way it sounded...You were there and telling us what the company believed,like you had no thoughts on the subject and whatever they believe/tell you is gospel. I am sure that is not the case. Thoughts and ideas sometime get lost in text. And ..yes..I would have loved to work at SWA. I am not going through my life bitter because I don't.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Untrue, deregulation let SWA go outside TX.

So, without deregulation they would have about five airplanes flying between Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Deregulation gave life to the LCC.

And it was the begining of the end of this profession, it has just taken thirty years to unfold.

 

[N1atEcon]

BR715.
The only sick call abuse is the unethical guys who forget who is signing their paychecks and putting food in their kids mouths. They call in sick only to pick up to up their TFP total. It is disgusting watching these guys do it month after month. There was a guy who finally ran out and actually needed it (for real this time). "I am sorry you have bills to pay, but you have no sick bank" was the CP response. As a whole the pilot group is one of the lowest sick call employee groups of SWA. The FA's and rampers are by far the worst.

 

[canyonblue]

And it was the begining of the end of this profession, it has just taken thirty years to unfold.

NO, it was your RJ that was the beginning and end of this profession. :smash:

 

[Jon Rivoli]

NO, it was your RJ that was the beginning and end of this profession. :smash:

NO, the RJ was a response to the competitive pressure from LCCs, shedding flying that could not be done profitably in the new market place. Legacy's focused on the flying that they can consistently do profitably and outsourced the rest.

Ever read NUTS? Southwest was THE main force driving down fares, they boast of it. Deregulation brought flying to the masses wearing flip flops and and track suits, that is what was intended. If not Southwest, it would have been someone else.

The fact is that there are far more people flying today than ever and there are far more pilots employed today than would be without deregulation. Flying just doesn't pay near what it used to, and never will again. The term "Jet setter" is obsolete.

You didn't destroy this profession any more than I did. It was forces beyond the control of all of us and it was inevitable after deregulation. We both owe our current jobs to the results of deregulation.

Peace

 

[OurMoney1]

Yeah but one thing you guys fail to see is that the other airlines have conditioned the consumer to pay for bags. So Gary always has this card in his back pocket and when he decides to play it SWA will once again be filling up the money bags. Even if he decides first bag flies free he still has millions of ancillary revenue to capture. The LUV machine has options and when the time is right they will execute.

 

[UALjan15]

Plus adding 6 more seats to their existing 700 line.

Really? Ouch!!

I thought SWA had decent, but not really generous seat pitch (I'm tall, so I definitely notice these things). I don't like the idea of adding an extra row. Then again, I'm just a freeloading jumpseater.

 

[On Your Six]

Yeah but one thing you guys fail to see is that the other airlines have conditioned the consumer to pay for bags. So Gary always has this card in his back pocket and when he decides to play it SWA will once again be filling up the money bags. Even if he decides first bag flies free he still has millions of ancillary revenue to capture. The LUV machine has options and when the time is right they will execute.

From the SWA "People's Court" TV Commercials----"No, Southwest would NEVER do that...." Aren't they charging for bags now via Airtran?


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[The Prussian]

Baffling. Curious if the SWA pilots support taxiing with both running?

Umm...yes...I do. 90% of the time, our taxi time to the end of the runway is 5 minutes or less. This means during 4-5 minutes of aircraft movement, you're multi-tasking and/or heads down for that other engine start...recipe for trouble with 3500 aircraft movements daily, day in, day out. We do allow for engine shutdown during long delays...both 1 and/or both when appropriate.