SWA to England?

[General Lee]

MLF was sarcasim for your little brain. Let the punishment fit the crime buddy. If you can buy planes pay back your debts first. Giddyup cowgirl! Nice to see you like to receive the handouts. I suppose everyone should declear BK that would make it all better. Have fun free loading!!

Wow, you should be on CNBC spewing your views. As far as how it has worked out, I have read that analysts are estimating our value after all of this is over as close to $10 billion, behind you guys! Sweet. Does Southwest have any debt at all? If so, why don't you guys pay that back too? I am sure you do, don't lie now. See, you make arguments that you can't back up yourself. If you have ANY debt, according to you, you had better pay it off first instead of buying planes. You should pay for all planes in cash---which I am sure you have.

And, MLF is the designator for Milford, UT. I don't think any airline really flies there , but maybe SWA will someday and you will finally get that MLF turn. How was it sarcasim for my again? You seem to be losing it. Off to LBB now..


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

You should pay for all planes in cash---

Bye Bye--General Lee

We already do.

 

[jball2]

I have said it before and I'll say it again. I live in the ATL right by a ton of Delta folks. Most are fine folks indeed and great friends as well! However, I have NEVER seen so many people, who are so proud to work for an airline they hate so much.


What was this thread about? GL wants to take SWA to London or Lubbock?

 

[CA Calypso]

Wow, you should be on CNBC spewing your views. As far as how it has worked out, I have read that analysts are estimating our value after all of this is over as close to $10 billion, behind you guys! Sweet. Does Southwest have any debt at all? If so, why don't you guys pay that back too? I am sure you do, don't lie now. See, you make arguments that you can't back up yourself. If you have ANY debt, according to you, you had better pay it off first instead of buying planes. You should pay for all planes in cash---which I am sure you have.

And, MLF is the designator for Milford, UT. I don't think any airline really flies there , but maybe SWA will someday and you will finally get that MLF turn. How was it sarcasim for my again? You seem to be losing it. Off to LBB now..


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

A certain amount of debt is actually required and and beneficial during the operation of a business - as long as it is servicable. I won't present you with a dissertation on debt management as I'm sure you have great knowledge in that area. Delta's debt was not servicable.... And unfortunately all of you paid the price.

You seem to be in love with the romance of working for an airline rather than realizing you must be part of a sustainable business.

Don't be surprised if SWA intentionally increases its debt signifigantly in the near future - and it won't be because they can't pay their bills. Again, I don't need to explain this as you obviously have all the answers.

 

[CA Calypso]

You don't mind Delta? You bagged on us about not paying our bills in BK (something ANY company in BK doesn't do----if SWA gets it arse spanked by Skybus, maybe you guys can try it, and man you will be happy there are laws that protect you so you can get back up on your feet---this isn't Communist Russia you know---you sound like a commie), and slammed the group, just because I don't like your schedules. Waaaaaa. You sound really defensive and hurt. I am sorry. Feel better now?


Bye Bye--General Lee

You better hope SWA doesn't end up in BK as it will be one the legacies' worst nightmares. BK used to be a tool to be managed to help you "get back up on your feet."

Now it is used to help inept managements, most of whom have no prior airline experience, force their employees and shareholders pay for their next round of failures. All the while, making sure their pensions and reissued stock is fully funded and safe.

It is a vicious cycle. Maybe Delta will be an exception - I wish you the best...

I'm sure you can understand why people who work for companies that choose not to exercise the BK option have very little sympathy for those who do.

 

[Quimby]

Hmmm, let's see, Delta didn't sit in BK quite as long as United, and used the system the way it is set up, for anyone. It's nice to know though that you also believe in cutting off the hand of a burgler, and stoning women for adultary. You need to move to Saudi Arabia, where you would feel much more at home with your "take no prisoners" attitude. Giddeup cowboy!

And, how do you do a MLF turn? Is that like a MILF? Do you know a MILF?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Not sitting in BK as long as UAL is like saying you got the highest F.

 

[ivauir]

Dude,
it was an F+

 

[AV80R]

Not sitting in BK as long as UAL is like saying you got the highest F!

Great analogy!

 

[ultrarunner]

A single-class 73 NS to Europe does NOT sound fun!

 

[vixin]

Its not that SWA doesnt have debt we just pay it back. Plus as someone else said we pay cash for our planes. Back to your Microsoft 2000 for your Paris RON little boy. I Like the F anaolgy that was funny.

 

[dtfl]

The Port Authority is paying for most of the terminal. There is no way they would build a terminal that big that could only accomodate 320's and 190's. I have never read or heard anything other than people on this site say that it cannot accomodate widebodies. I did read an article when the terminal was first announced that said it would be able to accomodate all aircraft types except the 380. I can't seem to find that article for reference since it was over a year ago. "Poison Pill" seems to be the latest buzz word going around B6. The latest "Poison Pill" rumor is that if someone buys us and we are not ratioed into the aquiring airline via relative seniority in seat of like aircraft, that the acquiring airline will be required to pay us 5 years pay based on the previous year's W-2. That would give most Captains about 750K and most FO's about 300K. If that were the case, I want Delta to buy us and NOT ratio us in. I'd take a couple thousand and hit the street running. Apparently, David and the crowd would make it a condition of the sale that must be honored. I'm not sure how something like that would hold up in a court.

Sorry to say but that type of contract language is about as firm as DALs no-furlough clause. IT worked....oh wait..I was furloughed for 5 years. Don't expect to be bought and paid hundreds of thousands.....

 

[dtfl]

The Port Authority is paying for most of the terminal. There is no way they would build a terminal that big that could only accomodate 320's and 190's. I have never read or heard anything other than people on this site say that it cannot accomodate widebodies. I did read an article when the terminal was first announced that said it would be able to accomodate all aircraft types except the 380. I can't seem to find that article for reference since it was over a year ago. "Poison Pill" seems to be the latest buzz word going around B6. The latest "Poison Pill" rumor is that if someone buys us and we are not ratioed into the aquiring airline via relative seniority in seat of like aircraft, that the acquiring airline will be required to pay us 5 years pay based on the previous year's W-2. That would give most Captains about 750K and most FO's about 300K. If that were the case, I want Delta to buy us and NOT ratio us in. I'd take a couple thousand and hit the street running. Apparently, David and the crowd would make it a condition of the sale that must be honored. I'm not sure how something like that would hold up in a court.

Sorry to say but that type of contract language is about as firm as DALs no-furlough clause. IT worked....oh wait..I was furloughed for 5 years. Don't expect to be bought and paid hundreds of thousands.....anything can happen these days..and it is usually not good for us...the pilots..ah last line..I see we agree.

 

[General Lee]

Its not that SWA doesnt have debt we just pay it back. Plus as someone else said we pay cash for our planes. Back to your Microsoft 2000 for your Paris RON little boy. I Like the F anaolgy that was funny.

Wow, that was funny. Enjoy ELP, MAF, AMA, and LBB, all in the same day! Gawd that must suk.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not sitting in BK as long as UAL is like saying you got the highest F.

And coming out of BK worth more than any other Legacy really is funny too. I also am getting a check for $180,000 (88,000 of that will go to my 401Ks for 2006 and 2007), plus another check will be coming for the pension drop. Yeah, sounds like an F for me. FANTASTIC. It sure worked out well for me---especailly since 2300 captains left too. See you later gator.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Quimby]

And coming out of BK worth more than any other Legacy really is funny too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'm sure the creditors are thrilled.

 

[vixin]

And coming out of BK worth more than any other Legacy really is funny too. I also am getting a check for $180,000 (88,000 of that will go to my 401Ks for 2006 and 2007), plus another check will be coming for the pension drop. Yeah, sounds like an F for me. FANTASTIC. It sure worked out well for me---especailly since 2300 captains left too. See you later gator.

Its amazing what not paying your obligations will do for the bottom line. I hope future vendors ask for there money upfront. Its funny to see you brag about screwing people. You seem to be soooo proud of this fact. I got mine so thats all that matters attitude. What a stand up little boy you are.

No I dont think ELP, LBB, MAF and AMA would suck. Never done it but I would. I enjoy my job and take pride in my company. It feels good to know we pay our bills.

 

[vtwo]

EMPLOYEE that is what your are

Hey Vix

Its not that SWA doesnt have debt we just pay it back. Plus as someone else said we pay cash for our planes.

It feels good to know we pay our bills.


I noticed you use the term "we" when talking about the company you work for. What part of "WE" did you have in paying the bills?
You are just an employee paid to do you job safely. you make no finacial decisions. you don't organize the route structure. sing the leases on plane , negotial fuel prices or gate rent. You are just and Employee.
stop the ra ra we this, we that banter. now just go to work and make the ceo's and share holders money.

 

[canyonblue]

Many vendors and creditors had to adjust to the loss of promised income, and obviously many people lost jobs. I cannot understand the feeling that bankruptcy is something to be proud of, but in America what else would we expect. In the future, let's hope that creditors demand more from those that they cannot trust, and reward those who they can trust.

 

[canyonblue]

I noticed you use the term "we" when talking about the company you work for. What part of "WE" did you have in paying the bills?

The employees at Southwest are one of the largest group of shareholders.

The airline adopted the first profit-sharing plan in the U.S. airline industry in 1973. Through this plan and others, Employees own at least 8 percent of the Company stock.

This is a "we" attitude here, I have no time for a "they" attitude with my money.

 

[vixin]

Whats the matter vtwo, couldnt get on? I enjoy the company and take pride that WE are all a team to make it strong. The WE part is the best part of the company. Not to many individuals here. We all have the same common goal. No one is better then the next. Unlike the little boy GL who can only think of I. But hey nice attitude. RARA!!

 

[General Lee]

And coming out of BK worth more than any other Legacy really is funny too. I also am getting a check for $180,000 (88,000 of that will go to my 401Ks for 2006 and 2007), plus another check will be coming for the pension drop. Yeah, sounds like an F for me. FANTASTIC. It sure worked out well for me---especailly since 2300 captains left too. See you later gator.

Its amazing what not paying your obligations will do for the bottom line. I hope future vendors ask for there money upfront. Its funny to see you brag about screwing people. You seem to be soooo proud of this fact. I got mine so thats all that matters attitude. What a stand up little boy you are.

No I dont think ELP, LBB, MAF and AMA would suck. Never done it but I would. I enjoy my job and take pride in my company. It feels good to know we pay our bills.

Hillarious. Do you wear and American flag on your bum too? "It feels good to know we pay our bills, it just feels good." hahahhahahahaha You are making a fool out of yourself, but at least you feel good about paying your bills, you can sleep at night.....9-11 started our downfall, and many others, along with mismangement. I did my job and didn't crash a plane---so I can sleep at night too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Many vendors and creditors had to adjust to the loss of promised income, and obviously many people lost jobs. I cannot understand the feeling that bankruptcy is something to be proud of, but in America what else would we expect. In the future, let's hope that creditors demand more from those that they cannot trust, and reward those who they can trust.

Let's hope you never have to go through the same thing. But, if you do which is possible I guess, you will be happy there are rules in place to allow you to pick up the pieces and start over. This isn't communist Russia where you may have only one chance. IF you want that in life, move to Moscow. We fly there nonstop from ATL and JFK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

.....9-11 started our downfall, and many others, along with mismangement.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Actually, greedy mgmt, weak union, big bonus's, and outrageous pay and work rules started your down fall. 911 accelerated it.

 

[instructordude]

Actually, greedy mgmt, weak union, big bonus's, and outrageous pay and work rules started your down fall. 911 accelerated it.

I heard lDelta pilots made over 160K a year. Talk about killing the goldne goose. Sounds like they, mangament, pilots etc, were all beating that goose pretty hard.

 

[vtwo]

actually Vix. I never wanted to get on at SWA. I have a lot of friends over their. 99.99% great guys. It is just this attitude that we , this and we that, when in reality you don't pay the bills. you don't buy the airplanes. You fly the planes and do t safely that is all. maybe help throw a bag or clean the cabin once in a while. Just realize what you are. an employee. not director of finance. If SWA decides to ever have to file bankruptcy then watch all of the WE talk disappear. but now one would say 'WE will never have to File BK." until it happens then you will be standing there with that look of disgust and anger, wondering who F'd it all up.
I hope it never happens to you. But if it does I imagine there will be a lot of p'd off employees. pointing fingers.

 

[General Lee]

Actually, greedy mgmt, weak union, big bonus's, and outrageous pay and work rules started your down fall. 911 accelerated it.

You forgot about Leo Mullin buying stock back to inflate his options, and then 9-11 happening and that money that was spent disappeared in a flash. That money could have easily been used to pay for a multitude of things, including higher pay and fewer seats sold after 9-11, but no---it went away in an instant. I guess you think that was our fault too? I remember approving that deal.....

And, your pay at SWA is now becoming an issue, since out of nowhere your company is now initiating fare increases. (like one yesterday) Your fuel hedges are shrinking, and Low Cost Competition is ramping up. Watch out for your company asking for some givebacks too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I heard lDelta pilots made over 160K a year. Talk about killing the goldne goose. Sounds like they, mangament, pilots etc, were all beating that goose pretty hard.

Huh? A lot made more than that, but that was because many were leaving to grab part of their pension and we became short on crews, thanks to mismanagement by Leo Mullin. Had he not gambled and bought back stock prior to 9-11 to inflate his own options, we would have had an extra billion or two to cushion ourselves. It didn't happen that way in the end.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ivauir]

Where does it say "Delta" on this thread General?

 

[General Lee]

Where does it say "Delta" on this thread General?

Seriously, if you don't like my responses, then put me on ignore. Really, I don't care. I will continue to respond to whatever I want, and remember this, not everyone wants to fly for Southwest, especially with your long schedules and multiple legs. Ta ta.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

And, your pay at SWA is now becoming an issue, since out of nowhere your company is now initiating fare increases. (like one yesterday) Your fuel hedges are shrinking, and Low Cost Competition is ramping up. Watch out for your company asking for some givebacks too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Tires, taxis, and gas have gone up in price too. Who says that airfares cant go up? The price of business is going up therefore we up our prices. What 7 times the last 12 months. Something the Legacies dont have the balls to do. We do it and it sticks. Yes the competition is getting storonger, we are adapting.
What's our other option? 60% pay cuts and 2 years of bankruptcy? I think I'll let my company drive the boat. Off to LBB..........again.