SWA Pilots - Don't be Pricks!

[johnsonrod]

Everyone talks about the need for airline consolidation. They say there are too many low-cost carriers and seats and capacity needs to be cut. Well, the SWA pilots decide they know what is best - not their management. SWA needs DEN growth and access to new markets (i.e., ATL) and it needs to reduce the number of low-cost competitors out there to juice its own margins and protect/build market share.

Imagine if this deal does not happen due to SWA pilot arrogance... What a STRATEGIC BLUNDER that would be....

 

[FDJ2]

There's a lot of posturing going on right now.

No doubt and a lot of panic too. It looks like SWA management blind sided all involved.

SWAPA and FAPA would be well adviced to focus their energies on negotiating a transition agreement, JCBA and a SLI process agreement with a date certain integrated list prior to SOC. This will buy all sides time.

 

[vv100]

FAPA’s concerns are:

* Job Protection
* Seat Protection
* Pay Protection
* Domicile Protection


Ok let's make it about Integration.

Integrate at 50% of the WN list.
10-1 ratio after
NO furlough clause for WN pilots
NO DEN domicile protection
F9 pilots keep their current pay rates\benefits\vacation for a minimum of 5 years

Everybody loses.
Y'all happy with that?

 

[Richard Gozinya]

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[Cardinal]

But when I hear the FAPA guys are trying to negotiate things like "first rights to Denver 737 spots" FOREVER, then we get a bit defensive. There's a lot of posturing going on right now.

Exactly the problem. SWAPA Communications have really played fast and loose with this deal. It's like they are actively trying to stir up a hornet's nest. It's wildly counterproductive at this extremely delicate time. There's plenty of emotion, plenty of skin in the game on both sides. To have SWAPA Comm throwing fuel on the fire with these updates pisses off both sides. To what end? Leash the dogs.

In other news, thanks for the olive branch, Elcid. I have low expectations, and 'd be thrilled with a staple, but the caustic attitude on this board truly has me concerned.

 

[firstthird]

SWA is out. RAH wins.

 

[Dude]

So SWAPA Communications is to blame? Our union stated fact and tried to illustrate what they thought to be a good deal for the F9 guys.

It doesn't matter now dude. Good luck with Republic. What are y'all going to do when Virgin America negotiates for the majority of your busses?

Bedford is a liar, but good luck. I am sure you'll have a much more promising career with Republic than a company that has NEVER furloughed, sought concessions, or bent labor over a barrel. How did Republic treat the Midwest dudes, again?

 

[RedRum]

Touche.

But when I hear the FAPA guys are trying to negotiate things like "first rights to Denver 737 spots" FOREVER, then we get a bit defensive. There's a lot of posturing going on right now.

Kind of sounds like the same end of the spectrum from the SWAPA guys. A staple job?

I seriously respect the author of this thread. I bet he is one good guy to fly with. You, on the other hand don't understand reality. I don't understand your high and mighty stance on things. You have got to get over yourself.

After a 5 year furlough, I realized that the sun didn't set on what airline I flew for. I found other employment. I agree with the previous poster that I cannot judge what is best for F9 pilots, but I sure as hell wouldn't want them to be someone's lap dog. I think it is great if their leadership wanted no-furlough assurances. Woudln't you want that if the same were happening to you?

Golden Rule:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (Matthew 7:12)

 

[puddlejumper101]

kudos to SWA mgmt. Also, I am sure there is a contingency plan in the works as we speak in SWA HDQTRS. Mergers, acquisitions, buyouts are never easy. CH11 is what made this deal a little different than say NWA/DAL. I don't know what the furure holds for SWA, but one thing I do know is MGMT in Dallas is far from stupid. They drive this boat and have always managed to figure out a way to do it right. SWA is ready to pounce on any and every opportunity that comes their way. This was definately an opportunity, appeared and disappeared overnight. I think SWA knows something about what is going on at UAL that most of us don't. I think this whole thing centered around the fact that UAL is not doing good at all. To be continued......

 

[SWA GUY]

Golden Rule:

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” (Matthew 7:12)

"The dude with the chrome .45 makes the rules" (Alternate Golden Rule).

 

[ron burgundy]

First rule of being a prick is...not apologizing for being a prick!. So, feel free to not accept this unapologetic post.

 

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Can I get an AMEN!!

 

[Linedriver]

"The dude with the chrome .45 makes the rules" (Alternate Golden Rule).

If you are saying SWA has the .45, I would have to disagree. This appears to be a lose/lose situation. F9 may have lost more but WN would have never proposed this deal if there wasn't something they wanted.

F9 is kind of like the farmers daughter. She's a little hottie that's gonna make someone a great partner. And SWA missed out on it.

 

[GuppyWN]

F9 is kind of like the farmers daughter. She's a little hottie that's gonna make someone a great partner. And SWA missed out on it.

........except she doesn't put out even after you spent your money on flowers, dinner, a movie AND promised to love her forever.

Gup
(don't hate-just couldn't resist)

 

[krewmeel]

........except she doesn't put out even after you spent your money on flowers, dinner, a movie AND promised to love her forever.

Gup
(don't hate-just couldn't resist)

That actually is really funny.....

 

[cmrflyer]

just ignore general lee, he is the king of the ****************************** bags.
I'm surprised he even had time to write on this thread, hes usually so busy on the regional board.