SWA Pilot union gives away flying!

[RedDogC130]

No..but our last contract was in 1994

 

[murano]

No vote from me. It's the silent YES majority we have to worry about.

 

[328dude]

I spent the last 4 hours reading this POS. NO vote for me.

 

[Whataburger]

We have to many Koolies on the property. It really is sad. They dont see the forest for the trees. I will be voting no but this turd will pass by 70% or more. Our uke: NC is a bunch of IDIOTS. The Mechanice, Rampers and I am sure the FA's all got a better raise then us. Our IDIOT NC started with COLA and went down fron there. Brilliant!! Less then COLA to give away our flying. But hey look at that huge retro we will be getting.uke:

I will vote NO, but maby you should apply for a transfer to Ramp or even FA!!!

 

[vixin]

Yeah thats the answer. Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you should go be Tom Deans lacky.

 

[radarlove]

You guys got no RJs, a raise and are bitching? Seriously?

I need to introduce you to some of my friends over at US Air.

 

[cksport]

US to Mexico is operated using domestic rules.

Only with Ops Spec approval...otherwise you are operating under Flag Ops.

 

[Hamburger]

it's okay swapa says this is good codeshare just like age 65 was good for the fo's

Excellent point.


Codeshares, major airports, assigned seats, throwing crumbs at the pilot group, scope battles, red ink.....


Inching ever closer to becoming "just another airline".
Draw the line in the sand NOW.

 

[GuppyWN]

You guys got no RJs, a raise and are bitching? Seriously?

I need to introduce you to some of my friends over at US Air.

What good is a 2% raise if all future flying is farmed out to the WestJets and Volaris' of the world?

Gup

 

[Mach 80]

I think some of the posters are leaving out the fact that there is NO DOMESTIC CODE SHARE in the TA. Can you imagine? That is significant. No other major U.S. airline has that. Good for the SWAPA negotiators. Most of the other airline pilot groups would kill to have that. Domestic code share has been the thing that has really hurt the major airline pilots.

There are raises, retro, improvements to scheduling issues, improvements in 401K, and a mandated number of aircraft (net gain) by certain dates. Additionaly there is limitation on trans-border code sharing....6% of ASMs flown by SWA.

To say "all future flying" is going to be farmed out is a stretch of huge proportions and nothing more than fear mongering.

In these times, what the SWAPA negotiating committee accomplished is significant. There is a small, albiet very vocal group of pilots who will complain and totally focus on one negative issue and ignore the big picture. It's called negotiations and you don't get 100%of what you want. Most of the SWA pilots understand this and view this TA as a fair one. The so called "silent majority" who don't get on internet forums and constantly whine, will cause this TA to pass, as it should.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Think of this though. To get from lets say MDW, to YYZ on Westjet, it would not be on you. It would be on them. Be careful.

 

[Mach 80]

ACL,

Ok, so they ride on Westjet.

What you have to look at is the total package.

No domestic code share. Limits on trans-border code sharing.

Raises, retro, new holiday pay, new premium pay to include some 1.5x ($270/hr) and 2x pay rates (over $400/hr)at 2010 rates, improvements in 401K including a Roth 401K option, mandated # of a/c by certain dates, the list goes on. No pilot group is going to get every little thing they want. The pluses far exceed the minuses. So...they ride Westjet from MDW to YYZ. Ok - a minus but there are more pluses. In the meantime, no domestic code share plus everything else I mentioned. Very acceptable., including the $187 trip at the end of 2010 ($215/hour to fly a 737).

 

[GuppyWN]

Mach 80,

Read the fine print. ALL CODESHARE LIMITS are removed 1/1/2013. SL32 will basically "expire" 12/31/2012.

I can only assume SWAPA thinks we will have another agreement in place by then but we are 2.5 years beyond our amendable date now.

Gup

 

[murano]

Very acceptable., including the $187 trip at the end of 2010 ($215/hour to fly a 737). Give me that premium J/A -- $430/hour.

.... and the cat is out of the bag. We are trying to piss against the wind with this senior 12+ year SWA Captain. He doesn't need growth. Who cares about codeshare? He's already flying TUE-WED-THU lines and gets the top pay scale. I'm not even going to argue with this dude.

 

[Mach 80]

I disagree Guppy. The TA says No DOMESTIC CODE SHARE plus the 6% limit stays untill the contact is amended plus they have to get an agreement with SWAPA before ANY OTHER code sharing agreements.

Am off to the Bahamas for a few days with no internet. Ahhhhh...

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

2% is very weak considering the inflation rate was 2.85% in 2007 and 3.85% for 2008. That’s a paycut. Wasn’t LUV profitable in 2007 and 2008? If so, why would you vote yourself a paycut?? At least hold your ground.

The codeshare is also very troublesome. I’d be very concerned especially for the more junior troops on the property. This is the proverbial camel’s nose under the tent and will drastically change your culture. Mexican flying for most of us is just domestic flying.

BTW, did FO percentage pay to Captain go up?? We’re hearing it did. What percentage does FO pay top out?

I know most of LUV guys probably think this is still the old Herb culture but in today’s new breed of airline executives, it’s the pilot’s that are the enemy. You’re a top cost unit that must be beaten down.

Good luck to you all on the vote. It’s always a tough vote and it’s easy to speculate from the sidelines. Just remember, there is always more on the table. It’s like buying a car on the first offer from the dealership.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[radarlove]

Ah...hubris. Bitching about making $400/hour.

I really, truly want to bring some of you SWA guys over to my furloughed friend's house.

RJs and stupid management cost them their jobs and you guys don't even recognize how good you have it, if you actually killed RJs dead.

You're starting to look like United in 2000, or Pan Am in 1984.

 

[Mach 80]

murano,

It's all the same man. Union reps all the time say to vote for what is best for your wallet and family. Let's say I wanted to fly to age 65 because this is my 5th airline and got screwed on my retirement. I doubt you helped me out there, or did you? It's all the same principle. Different issues have different values for different people. Too bad but that's the way it is.

Besides, the code share is limited and not as bad as the little mob mentality has got you all spun up about.

 

[Mach 80]

>>>>Bitching about making $400/hour.<<<

Who was doing that? Please cite it.

 

[GuppyWN]

Mach,

Enjoy the sun and relax. It will be a nice change to the never-ending winter. I'll edumicate you some more when you get back.

Gup