SWA Pilot union gives away flying!

[murano]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Southwest-pilots-union-apf-14766690.html

I hope the membership is smarter than the BoD and votes this pig down.

 

[Daddy]

Fat chance

 

[737lj]

Deleted.

 

[vixin]

We have to many Koolies on the property. It really is sad. They dont see the forest for the trees. I will be voting no but this turd will pass by 70% or more. Our uke: NC is a bunch of IDIOTS. The Mechanice, Rampers and I am sure the FA's all got a better raise then us. Our IDIOT NC started with COLA and went down fron there. Brilliant!! Less then COLA to give away our flying. But hey look at that huge retro we will be getting.uke:

 

[StopNTSing]

I agree 100%, Vixin. If we had NO code-share, I could possibly vote yes on this TA, but 2% raises to give away our future growth? NO F-ING WAY!!! :uzi:

 

[BrickTop]

Did'n't SWA Pilots scope out regional flying? Is this article refering to selling seats on another MAJOR Code share, or allowing seats to be operated by or sold to sub-contractors?

 

[callowayhd]

just when you think there were not enough 76 seat rjs flying around

 

[TV9Driver]

so with the pilots giving away scope provisions, i guess i won't be getting a call for a class date any time soon huh? Or, are there good restrictions in place?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Problem is that for SWA to compete with all of us who have poor scope and lots of RJ's they now need em to.
Vote the thing down. Heck, I would vote it down for a 100% raise. Do not let this camel get in your tent.

 

[SELCAL checks]

Haven't seen the final language yet, but it's all Int'l codeshare. No RJ's and no domestic codeshare of any kind is my understanding. I vote no. Weak contract. We can fly our own metal to Canada/Mexico/Hawaii/Carribbean

 

[Colonel Savage]

so with the pilots giving away scope provisions, i guess i won't be getting a call for a class date any time soon huh? Or, are there good restrictions in place?

The code share is for Int'l only (Mexico, etc). Domestic flying is 100% protected...for now.

 

[Splert]

The code share is for Int'l only (Mexico, etc). Domestic flying is 100% protected...for now.

Mexico is domestic.

 

[king10pin02]

Mexico is domestic.

for the Mexicans

 

[Splert]

for the Mexicans

US to Mexico is operated using domestic rules.

Guess OGG or HNL isn't domestic; it's exotic.

 

[Whine Lover]

What part of... "THIS HAPPENED YEARS AGO WITH ATA" ....ARE YOU PEOPLE MISSING?

?

YKMKR

 

[Splert]

Time does not turn bad ideas into good ideas?

 

[florida]

it's okay swapa says this is good codeshare just like age 65 was good for the fo's

 

[Murphy]

You can put lipstick on a codeshare, it's still codeshare.

 

[RedDogC130]

My vote is NO...there is a lot of stuff in this contract that is the same that we have now. I am not happy with the product presented. The codeshare language just leaves too many open doors, especially after 2012. My vote is sealed as NO. Lets see if others feel the same way.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Have SWA pilots, in its history, turned down a TA?

 

[RedDogC130]

No..but our last contract was in 1994

 

[murano]

No vote from me. It's the silent YES majority we have to worry about.

 

[328dude]

I spent the last 4 hours reading this POS. NO vote for me.

 

[Whataburger]

We have to many Koolies on the property. It really is sad. They dont see the forest for the trees. I will be voting no but this turd will pass by 70% or more. Our uke: NC is a bunch of IDIOTS. The Mechanice, Rampers and I am sure the FA's all got a better raise then us. Our IDIOT NC started with COLA and went down fron there. Brilliant!! Less then COLA to give away our flying. But hey look at that huge retro we will be getting.uke:

I will vote NO, but maby you should apply for a transfer to Ramp or even FA!!!

 

[vixin]

Yeah thats the answer. Thanks for the suggestion. Maybe you should go be Tom Deans lacky.

 

[radarlove]

You guys got no RJs, a raise and are bitching? Seriously?

I need to introduce you to some of my friends over at US Air.

 

[cksport]

US to Mexico is operated using domestic rules.

Only with Ops Spec approval...otherwise you are operating under Flag Ops.

 

[Hamburger]

it's okay swapa says this is good codeshare just like age 65 was good for the fo's

Excellent point.


Codeshares, major airports, assigned seats, throwing crumbs at the pilot group, scope battles, red ink.....


Inching ever closer to becoming "just another airline".
Draw the line in the sand NOW.

 

[GuppyWN]

You guys got no RJs, a raise and are bitching? Seriously?

I need to introduce you to some of my friends over at US Air.

What good is a 2% raise if all future flying is farmed out to the WestJets and Volaris' of the world?

Gup

 

[Mach 80]

I think some of the posters are leaving out the fact that there is NO DOMESTIC CODE SHARE in the TA. Can you imagine? That is significant. No other major U.S. airline has that. Good for the SWAPA negotiators. Most of the other airline pilot groups would kill to have that. Domestic code share has been the thing that has really hurt the major airline pilots.

There are raises, retro, improvements to scheduling issues, improvements in 401K, and a mandated number of aircraft (net gain) by certain dates. Additionaly there is limitation on trans-border code sharing....6% of ASMs flown by SWA.

To say "all future flying" is going to be farmed out is a stretch of huge proportions and nothing more than fear mongering.

In these times, what the SWAPA negotiating committee accomplished is significant. There is a small, albiet very vocal group of pilots who will complain and totally focus on one negative issue and ignore the big picture. It's called negotiations and you don't get 100%of what you want. Most of the SWA pilots understand this and view this TA as a fair one. The so called "silent majority" who don't get on internet forums and constantly whine, will cause this TA to pass, as it should.