SWA pilot that blew .039

[800Dog]

I'm no supporter of the TSA and what happened to this guy, but for the sake of my traveling family I hope that they continue to scrutinize any pilot that appears to be under the influence. Let's face it, blowing a .039 indicates have a little more than one with dinner the night before. I don't think he should get a dime for his actions. Nor should he have been arrested and been treated the way he was. Both parties are at fault. I say do over.

May be your family should not travel by air as many pilots are fatigued which has the same affect on the body as alcohol.

 

[SWA/FO]

Yeah, I guess I don't care about embarrassing the airline. Southwest does a good enough job doing this by themselves. But every time a loser like this shows up with liquor on his breath, it makes us all look bad. If he keeps his license, he is lucky the incompetents at SLC couldn't get him to a breathalizer any sooner. Fifteen minutes earlier and .04 or higher.... Maybe he should go buy them a beer...

tool. keep your own "furloughed" house in order. Oh, and if your not furloughed then change your name. Remember you are allowed to re-apply in 2 years.

 

[Oh-ryan]

May be your family should not travel by air as many pilots are fatigued which has the same affect on the body as alcohol.

solid arguement there. I guess I shouldn't drive my family anywhere either since I could go blind at any minute from all the whacking off.

genius.

 

[Vspeeds]

Good One!

solid arguement there. I guess I shouldn't drive my family anywhere either since I could go blind at any minute from all the whacking off.

genius.

Good One!
I guess I gots to quit too....

 

[Spidey]

solid arguement there. I guess I shouldn't drive my family anywhere either since I could go blind at any minute from all the whacking off.

genius.

..."Daddy, what are you doing up there...what's that on the windshield Daddy?"

 

[PA-22]

Just curious, who is "we"?

"we" = AWA. BTW thank you guys for giving me a ride to/from work almost every week.

 

[800Dog]

solid arguement there. I guess I shouldn't drive my family anywhere either since I could go blind at any minute from all the whacking off.

genius.

You have lots to learn. I do not advocate drinking and flying but please do some research. Alcohol and fatigue have the same affect. Quit whacking off and find a woman!!!!

 

[Metro752]

Why should a guy that shows up drunk to fly an airplane get a f-ing dime out of it? Despite the tone here, showing up drunk to fly a jet doesn't really make you cool, despite how much you think "herb" would approve.

I would think that blowing over a .02 at most carriers would get you canned....blowing over .04 means you lose your license.

Any LUV guys out there....lose the thick hide and admit the guy humiliated himself and all of us. Blowing a .039 is nothing to be proud of. Of course he wasn't DRUNK by driving standards, but he was impaired.

Stop defending him and trying to excoriate the authorities. They were doing their job, the SWA FO was doing his while impaired. He is dang lucky they didn't get him blowing on that thing even 10 minutes prior. We wouldn't be having this conversation.


A350

Ladies, he was not drunk, per the law. Just because he had a .039 does not mean he was .039 drunk! Go find someone else to burn at the stake. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcoholic beverages, which is what you are implying by complaining about him having ANY alcohol in his system. You are just proving your ignorance and stupidity.

I don't know how else to explain it other than he did nothing wrong, here are a bunch of definitions.

• http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1018&bold=intoxicated||

*intoxication
n. 1) the condition of being drunk as the result of drinking alcoholic beverages and/or use of narcotics. In the eyes of the law this definition may differ depending on the situation to which it is applied. 2) as it applies to drunk driving (DUI, DWI) the standard of intoxication varies by state between .08 and .10 alcohol in the bloodstream, or a combination of alcohol and narcotics which would produce the same effect even though the amount of alcohol is below the minimum. 3) as it applies to public drunkenness the standard is subjective, meaning the person must be unable to care for himself, be dangerous to himself or others, be causing a disturbance or refuse to leave or move along when requested. 4) a defense in a criminal case in which the claim is made by the defendant that he/she was too intoxicated to form an intent to commit the crime or to know what he/she was doing, where the amount of intoxication is subjective but higher than for drunk driving. There is also the question if the intoxication was an intentional aforethought to the crime ("I wanted to get drunk so I had the nerve to kill her"). Unintentional intoxication can show lack of capacity to form an intent and thus reduce the possible level of conviction and punishment, as from voluntary (intentional) manslaughter down to involuntary (unintentional but through a wrongful act) manslaughter. However, in vehicular manslaughter, the intoxication is an element in the crime, whether getting drunk was intentional or not, since criminal intent was not a factor.

• http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/Drunk

*drunk
Noun 1. drunk - a chronic drinker Synonyms: drunkard, rummy, sot, inebriate 2. drunk - someone who is intoxicated Adj. 1. drunk - stupefied or excited by a chemical substance (especially alcohol); "a noisy crowd of intoxicated sailors"; "helplessly inebriated" Antonyms: sober - not affected by a chemical substance (especially alcohol) Synonyms: intoxicated, inebriated 2. drunk - as if under the influence of alcohol; "felt intoxicated by her success"; "drunk with excitement" Synonyms: intoxicated
By Wordnet Dictionary

Drunk: (?), a. 1. Intoxicated with, or as with, strong drink; inebriated; drunken; -- never used attributively, but always predicatively; as, the man is drunk (not, a drunk man).
Be not drunk with wine, where in is excess. Eph. v. 18.
Drunk with recent prosperity. Macaulay.
2. Drenched or saturated with moisture or liquid.
I will make mine arrows drunk with blood. Deut. xxxii. 42.

Drunk: , n. A drunken condition; a spree.


By Webster Dictionary

This article should be merged with intoxication Drunkenness, in its most common usage, is the state of being intoxicated with alcohol (i.e. ethanol) to a sufficient degree to impair mental and motor functioning.

• http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drunk

*drunkdrunk v.Past participle of drink.

adj.1. a. Intoxicated with alcoholic liquor to the point of impairment of physical and mental faculties.
b. Caused or influenced by intoxication.

 

[ferlo]

You have lots to learn. I do not advocate drinking and flying but please do some research. Alcohol and fatigue have the same affect. Quit whacking off and find a woman!!!!

Dude, why are you reaching so far for this guy? Being tired is the same as being 1000th% away from legally drunk? The guy F'ed up. Let it go. He deserves some kind of punishment, not a windfall payday.

Perhaps it's time to quit defending the 1,2,3 rule in your contract as well. There's a reason no other airline pushes for a perpetual happy hour for their pilots.

 

[Spidey]

Ladies, he was not drunk, per the law. Just because he had a .039 does not mean he was .039 drunk! Go find someone else to burn at the stake. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcoholic beverages, which is what you are implying by complaining about him having ANY alcohol in his system. You are just proving your ignorance and stupidity.

I don't know how else to explain it other than he did nothing wrong, here are a bunch of definitions.

• http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1018&bold=intoxicated||

*intoxication
n. 1) the condition of being drunk as the result of drinking alcoholic beverages and/or use of narcotics. In the eyes of the law this definition may differ depending on the situation to which it is applied. 2) as it applies to drunk driving (DUI, DWI) the standard of intoxication varies by state between .08 and .10 alcohol in the bloodstream, or a combination of alcohol and narcotics which would produce the same effect even though the amount of alcohol is below the minimum. 3) as it applies to public drunkenness the standard is subjective, meaning the person must be unable to care for himself, be dangerous to himself or others, be causing a disturbance or refuse to leave or move along when requested. 4) a defense in a criminal case in which the claim is made by the defendant that he/she was too intoxicated to form an intent to commit the crime or to know what he/she was doing, where the amount of intoxication is subjective but higher than for drunk driving. There is also the question if the intoxication was an intentional aforethought to the crime ("I wanted to get drunk so I had the nerve to kill her"). Unintentional intoxication can show lack of capacity to form an intent and thus reduce the possible level of conviction and punishment, as from voluntary (intentional) manslaughter down to involuntary (unintentional but through a wrongful act) manslaughter. However, in vehicular manslaughter, the intoxication is an element in the crime, whether getting drunk was intentional or not, since criminal intent was not a factor.

• http://dictionary.laborlawtalk.com/Drunk

*drunk
Noun 1. drunk - a chronic drinker Synonyms: drunkard, rummy, sot, inebriate 2. drunk - someone who is intoxicated Adj. 1. drunk - stupefied or excited by a chemical substance (especially alcohol); "a noisy crowd of intoxicated sailors"; "helplessly inebriated" Antonyms: sober - not affected by a chemical substance (especially alcohol) Synonyms: intoxicated, inebriated 2. drunk - as if under the influence of alcohol; "felt intoxicated by her success"; "drunk with excitement" Synonyms: intoxicated
By Wordnet Dictionary

Drunk: (?), a. 1. Intoxicated with, or as with, strong drink; inebriated; drunken; -- never used attributively, but always predicatively; as, the man is drunk (not, a drunk man).
Be not drunk with wine, where in is excess. Eph. v. 18.
Drunk with recent prosperity. Macaulay.
2. Drenched or saturated with moisture or liquid.
I will make mine arrows drunk with blood. Deut. xxxii. 42.

Drunk: , n. A drunken condition; a spree.


By Webster Dictionary

This article should be merged with intoxication Drunkenness, in its most common usage, is the state of being intoxicated with alcohol (i.e. ethanol) to a sufficient degree to impair mental and motor functioning.

• http://www.thefreedictionary.com/drunk

*drunkdrunk v.Past participle of drink.

adj.1. a. Intoxicated with alcoholic liquor to the point of impairment of physical and mental faculties.
b. Caused or influenced by intoxication.

...you've got to be some liberal arts sophomore at a college in Kansas, Missouri, or Arkansas...nice cut and paste research...but ya got too many dangling participles...your English 201 TA is gonna kick yer arss...now, get outta the library and back to yer dorm before curfew...see ya in the real world inna coupla years, rookie...

 

[Oh-ryan]

You have lots to learn. I do not advocate drinking and flying but please do some research. Alcohol and fatigue have the same affect. Quit whacking off and find a woman!!!!

really? Being tired can cause fatigue and slowed response time similar to alcohol consumption? Thanks for the education professor. I could have used that nugget of information when I was flying 9 hour missions in Iraq and Afghanistan at O'dark thirty after getting 4 hours of sleep in a 12 man tent the night before. Who knew? I guess that's why there are pages upon pages of guidance written about crew rest in the FAR's, military regulations and company policies, as well a numerous hours of classroom education in practically every professional flight school. I never thought that the purpose of all that was to prevent pilots from flying while tired. Probably cause I wasn't paying attention that week. It all makes sense now that you've pointed it out for me.

Bottom line is that you roll the dice when you get on a plane. Lots of variables. How much experience do the pilots have, any check-ride busts, how much rest have they had, weather conditions... yadda, yadda, yadda. Lots of things to worry about when you put your family on a plane, but I would like to think that being hung over and blowing a .039 is not one of them. Anything else I need to learn?

Those months of living in that tent eventually manifested into the self-love problem I have today... as well as a pregnant sock.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Perhaps it's time to quit defending the 1,2,3 rule in your contract as well. There's a reason no other airline pushes for a perpetual happy hour for their pilots.

Quit defending the 1,2,3 rule?? Good job reaching into left field. This is a negotiated benefit of REDUCED profit for the hotel. If your hotel folks had their stuff in a pile they would work harder for you too. I'm glad you aren't on the hotel comittee. I can see you're not happy putting restrictions on just yourself and your fellow employees, you want to control all of aviation.

No, I don't think so....

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Why should a guy that shows up drunk to fly an airplane get a f-ing dime out of it? Despite the tone here, showing up drunk to fly a jet doesn't really make you cool, despite how much you think "herb" would approve.

No one thinks this. If you can't stand a stupid joke, back away from the keyboard and walk away.

Of course having any alcohol in your system when flying is bad. I hope crewmembers with these issues get the help they need.

 

[Metro752]

...you've got to be some liberal arts sophomore at a college in Kansas, Missouri, or Arkansas...nice cut and paste research...but ya got too many dangling participles...your English 201 TA is gonna kick yer arss...now, get outta the library and back to yer dorm before curfew...see ya in the real world inna coupla years, rookie...

lol not even close, I just used google search and took about 2 minutes to make my cut and paste look purdy.

 

[Echopapa]

An arrest is a matter of public record. Any person in this country can get the names and charges of those arrested in any jurisdiction. The release of his name is not only allowed but required by our constitution....why? So that the government does not secretly take custody of its civilian population (e.g. USSR circa 1960). It is also our primary protection to ensure a fair legal system...open to the public.

Quite frankly, his chances for any money out of this are minimal. You have to demonstrate "gross negligence" on the part of the TSA or the DA...and the fact that he did in fact have some alchol in his system established their hurdle of probable cause to take him into custody.

 

[skiandsurf]

Why should a guy that shows up drunk to fly an airplane get a f-ing dime out of it? Despite the tone here, showing up drunk to fly a jet doesn't really make you cool, despite how much you think "herb" would approve.

Remember the AmWest crew that got prison time for "flying drunk" or the famous NWA crew that actually flew drunk. These guys didnt "hurt" anyone other than themselves and their families. What I am wondering, on these message boards, is why hasnt any of you blasted the Comair crew for Killing 49 people. I know that the investgation is still under way, and will take a year to get the final result, but you guys are always fast to point fingers at the drunks who dont hurt others.

I dont mean to be "cold" or "heartless", but if this FO survives, should he get 49 life sentences?

 

[FatesPawn]

Remember the AmWest crew that got prison time for "flying drunk" or the famous NWA crew that actually flew drunk. These guys didnt "hurt" anyone other than themselves and their families. What I am wondering, on these message boards, is why hasnt any of you blasted the Comair crew for Killing 49 people. I know that the investgation is still under way, and will take a year to get the final result, but you guys are always fast to point fingers at the drunks who dont hurt others.

I dont mean to be "cold" or "heartless", but if this FO survives, should he get 49 life sentences?

Flaimbait.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Ygtbsm Stfu S&s

 

[skiandsurf]

Ygtbsm Stfu S&s

This is what I am talking about. You guys sympathize for the crew that kills a bunch of people, but want to blast the guy that had a .039 breathalizer.

 

[SWA/FO]

or blast a crew for sliding off a runway at 14 knots which was advertised as good braking.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Quite frankly, his chances for any money out of this are minimal. You have to demonstrate "gross negligence" on the part of the TSA or the DA...and the fact that he did in fact have some alchol in his system established their hurdle of probable cause to take him into custody.

Really??? Well, somewhere there is an attorney who will take this case on a contingency....we all hate lawyers ....until we need one....you ever needed the services of an attorney? I have....and he took it on a contingency...and we won....

Except that he wanted more money from GM....so he re-filed....and got more...we were verrrrry happy with what we got.

Tejas

 

[Hobiehawker]

or blast a crew for sliding off a runway at 14 knots which was advertised as good braking.

I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up.

And its a very good point.

 

[SkiFishFly]

I dont mean to be "cold" or "heartless", but if this FO survives, should he get 49 life sentences?

The scary thing about this statement is I would not be surprised if the local DA has been considering this one. Regardless of the outcome He/She would be instantly famous.
I would not put this move past any scum sucking lawyer.

 

[apache]

Our country continues to devolve through feminization and massive influx of those that have entered our country from areas of the world with very different standards of "law" and fairness. Our English system of law is different than most by differentiating between civil matters and criminal matters. Traditionally in the US, events that were once considered accidents and unfortunate occurances are now being considered criminal. A jury comprised mostly of women and "disinfranchized" individuals who have a low level of education and respond mostly to emotion, revenge, and class envy are easier to convince to hang a defendant. It would be about as fair as standing trial on Oprah's show and her audience serving as the jury. These are the same jurors that have been handing out ridiculous civil judgements for years. God help those that have to be judged by a typical jury now days.

If the Southwest guys that plowed out onto Central Ave had done that in Guadalajara, they would be spend the next 10 years in a mexican federal prison getting their meals through a tube from a guy named Raul. They could get the sentenced commuted with the right political donation. Look at Mexico now to see where we are going in the future.

To make sure that America stays on the same, downward course, make sure that you and all of your friends vote Republican..........or Democrat.

 

[satpak77]

If the Southwest guys that plowed out onto Central Ave had done that in Guadalajara, they would be spend the next 10 years in a mexican federal prison getting their meals through a tube from a guy named Raul. They could get the sentenced commuted with the right political donation. Look at Mexico now to see where we are going in the future.

Uh, wrong.

 

[apache]

Uh, wrong.

Well, your disagreement with my statement is well founded with facts and reasoning. Oh, wait......Uh, wrong.

Sorry about the jab, but people in this business have gotten soft to, and insulated from, the realities of this industry and the world. Read up on Napoleanic Law and you will see what the rest of the world considers to be fair. This will be the norm when there are 100 million plus Mexicans living in the US. And then there is Islamic law...........

 

[satpak77]

Well, your disagreement with my statement is well founded with facts and reasoning. Oh, wait......Uh, wrong.

Sorry about the jab, but people in this business have gotten soft to, and insulated from, the realities of this industry and the world. Read up on Napoleanic Law and you will see what the rest of the world considers to be fair. This will be the norm when there are 100 million plus Mexicans living in the US. And then there is Islamic law...........

No need to put the facts and reasoning out, I am secure in the fact that you are wrong. I know this for confirmed fact.

Have a wonderful day.

 

[Phil O'Sopher]

Well, your disagreement with my statement is well founded with facts and reasoning. Oh, wait......Uh, wrong.

Sorry about the jab, but people in this business have gotten soft to, and insulated from, the realities of this industry and the world. Read up on Napoleanic Law and you will see what the rest of the world considers to be fair. This will be the norm when there are 100 million plus Mexicans living in the US. And then there is Islamic law...........

"What the rest of the world considers fair"? Not to be argumentative, but I'm always dismayed at the US vs the rest of the world philosophy. It's been some time since I've read up on Napoleonic Law, but I think systems of law based on English common law comprise more systems worldwide than any other system of law...not a majority, but the largest minority. Countries whose system of laws are primarily based on common law have a total population nearing two billion people, most notably India with a billion plus, but including Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Pakistan, Singapore etc etc. Certainly, some of them are farther from common law than others but no country now operates on common law but on variants and amalgamations of various systems (and for that matter neither does Louisiana, California or New York). Common law is a lot more common than common sense.

 

[BlackPilot628]

So exactly how much of that LDS 3.2 beer does one have to drink to blow a .039 the NEXT day?

LMAO.... Ain't that the truth. You get full before you even get a buuzzzz...

 

[LXJ31]

I hated all lawyers once too. Then I became an adult.