SWA (phx or las)

[SWA/FO]

I was thinkin' Capt. side of the fence. Since that is the only list I look at nowadays.

 

[General Lee]

General, I am glad that you had such a windfall in your BK. I am sure all the guys that lost their jobs for 5+ years are really excited about the company that stuck it to them. I am also sure they appriceated the longer time on the street because you were sucking up all the extra flying while they were getting their unemployment checks.


It is getting harder for you to hide your envy of SWA. We know you want to fly the corndog....but you can't so get over it!!!

Envy? Huh? I just don't like LBB, MAF, AMA, or HRL. That's it. Everytime I say something about them, which I am allowed to do, I get slammed by dorks like SWA/FO that say we will go Chap 7 next time. Well, so will SWA thanks to a Mars invasion.

And, our bottom furloughed guy got over $200,000 from the claim sale, and he never even really flew at DL prior to getting furloughed. How did the USAir or United guys do while furloughed? How about those AA or TWA guys still out? You need to get your facts straight, lest you sound ignorant. Also, while we had furloughs on the street we had a cap on the hours we could be paid for each month--75. We were also parking L1011s, MD11s, 727s, 737-200s, etc. Not as much open time out there as you would think.

I am allowed to dislike LBB. If you want to keep this going, keep stating ignorant facts. I check them regularly. Really. And, I have no desire to fly the same plane (737) for the rest of my life, with multiple leg days, and 25 min turns. No thanks. No envy in that statement at all.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SWA/FO]

give it up - you bipolar freak.

 

[General Lee]

give it up - you bipolar freak.

Great one there. You still studying for your upcoming Lance Captain slot? Riiight. You must be covering for some major inadequecies. (your Ego is huge) That is what she said. And, have fun with LBB, AMA, MAF, and HRL. I will never have to go there. Feels sooo good.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

General, you're telling me that a guy hired in July of 2001 and furloughed 4 months later got $200K plus in settlement? I find that VERY difficult to believe. Plus, what did he make in the past 6 years from Delta?

Dude. We get it. Delta is king and we are your bitch.

Gup

 

[General Lee]

General, you're telling me that a guy hired in July of 2001 and furloughed 4 months later got $200K plus in settlement? I find that VERY difficult to believe. Plus, what did he make in the past 6 years from Delta?

Dude. We get it. Delta is king and we are your bitch.

Gup

That is absolutely correct. He was awarded a claim (in new stock, which was sold prior to him getting it) for close to $200,000. The only cavet for those guys was they had to be back on the property to get it. Ask any other DL guy on this board. Of that claim money, up to $88,000 was put into a 401K to hide from the tax man (for 06 and 07) and the rest was taxed. ANd, being furloughed he obviously didn't make anything from Delta, and that is a part of this business. But, when he came back he came back to 7th year pay, not 2nd year pay that many United guys came back to.

And, thanks for admitting the rest. You may relax now. Also, I don't dislike Southwest or it's pilots (well, maybe a few a holes), I just would not like some of the routes, the 25 min turns, mostly multiple leg days, or flying one plane type for the rest of my career. Other than those things, I think you guys are fabulous.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Murphy]

Hey General. I'm normally a fan of yours but your presence on this thread is really getting aggravating.

Some of us may be actually interested in the original intent of this thread that was rudely hijacked and don't want to continue to listen to your constant dribble that Delta's penis is bigger than Southwest's penis in your not so humble opinion.

P.S. May daughter was born in Lubbock and my wife got her Master's from Texas Tech so I am well aware of the Lubbuttocks jokes.

 

[SWA/FO]

General Leigh,

I could care less what you think of LBB or any West Texas city that we serve.

I think you're a tool. I don't care about you and I care less about Delta. I think you're trying to take the high road about your a$$ pounding you took from Leo and his boys - which is fine.

None of this affects me or Southwest Airlines, since it was your a$$ being worked and not mine. How did you get that stuff off of your black, double brested coat? You must have a good dry cleaner.

So stay off the Southwest Airlines threads and I'll stay off the 2 sorry-a$$ Delta threads.

 

[flybynav1965]

Hey guys,

Can we please get back to the original purpose of this thread?? I honestly want to know about the pluses and minuses of Vegas and Phoenix. Thanks for letting it go.

cheers,
Nav

 

[firstthird]

LAS went sort of mid road senior during the first bid, but if they really grow it as much as they have said they will (eventually will be the biggest base) then most people expect it will become junior very fast.

the first bid included everyone who lives there whereas from here on out it will have to be people who want to go for seniority or get displaced, thus it will probably end up junior along the lines of BWI/MDW.

PHX is next to DAL/HOU in terms of captain seniority and that doesn't seem likely to change significantly in the next 5 or 10 years.

the wild card is all of the people on the west coast that currently commute to OAK that went to LAS or are considering it. OAK has traditionally been the most junior base for the first class or two out of the school house but not so much for senior FOs or in the CAPT ranks, since so many people commute there from west coast cities.

Some west coasters have put forth the view that LAS will be their BWI/MDW, since for years now all of the growth has been on the east coast and west coast guys saw their seniority stagnate relative to commuting to BWI.

I'd run a list of pros and cons with the wife (including PRO of LAS as a junior base = better QOL sooner) and go rent an apartment in either PHX or LAS for a year or so to see what you think. If it is the place for you, buy a house after the market has finished correcting, which no one will know till it is on the way back up. But, if you are planning on staying 5 or 10 years, who cares if you buy right at the bottom of the market, since you've already missed buying at the top in both these places.

Not sure I'd jump and buy a house prior to starting class or checking out the city for a while first. shoot, maybe even rent a furnished apt and leave all your stuff in storage besides what you can fit in your two cars, could lessen the moving expense if you will be ready to buy in 6 months or less. Although, the tightening of the mortgage market could put a crimp in your house buying plans if you are thinking 300,000+ on 1st year salary, 2nd year I think you'd be fine, depending on down payment size, etc. Some guys buy the house based on their current military salary before they get out, and if that is your plan, it puts way more pressure on to get it right the first time I guess.

 

[Pilot's Wife]

FYI - my husband got Phoenix after 2 months in orlando (is that BWI? -sorry, not up on all the identifiers). This month he finally got Dallas (what we want) but next month goes back to Phoenix. He has been on property since March. So it seems it wouldn't take you long to get Phoenix if that is where you choose. QOL issues - I understand most people that live in either location love their place for different reasons. Since you seem like you have flexibility it's a wonderful position for you to be in. If outdoor activities are very important you may want to consider Phoenix, but if entertainment is more your thing, then obviously Vegas. However I recently met a family that lived in Vegas for years with children and absolutely loved it. So both places you can't lose with.

I will say that commuting has been awful. People that choose to commute need to be commended. If at all possible live in your base.

 

[OK3]

The way I see it the big unknowns in LAS are the crash pad/ commuter hotels situation, and jumpseat availability. Most guys I know who are commuters and bid there are hoping that since there are a lot of red eyes they can make it home after a PM.

If it ends up becoming difficult to get on flights in and out of LAS, guys will bid out and it will become even more junior. Either way if you want to live in LAS you will have great seniority and QOL fairly quickly. I think that is what you were asking about; but maybe you wanted to know about LBB.

 

[General Lee]

General Leigh,

I could care less what you think of LBB or any West Texas city that we serve.

I think you're a tool. I don't care about you and I care less about Delta. I think you're trying to take the high road about your a$$ pounding you took from Leo and his boys - which is fine.

None of this affects me or Southwest Airlines, since it was your a$$ being worked and not mine. How did you get that stuff off of your black, double brested coat? You must have a good dry cleaner.

So stay off the Southwest Airlines threads and I'll stay off the 2 sorry-a$$ Delta threads.

Did you see that? I am crying a river.......Anyway, Some of you corndogs are really cocky, and you are the leader. Pre-9-11 Southwest was NOTHING, with many of your Captains leaving to go to United. You need to get it into your small brain that you will always fly an orange 737. Forever. Get over yourself. But even though you may be the smallest thing around taxiing at SFO or LAX, you are the biggest in LBB. Congrats on that. Do you look like the Fonz in your leather jacket? Heeyyyyy. Have fun on your 6 legs tomorrow. And, I don't care what you do on Delta threads, you really have no idea what you are talking about, and it shows.

And yes, I am ready to be done with this thread, but I can be persuaded to stay....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GuppyWN]

OK. I'm in.

First of all, pre 9/11 this place was da bomb. Best job I ever had. Post 9/11 it was and is the end all be all.

There is a big difference between cocky and confident in our futures.

We never had any captains leave for brand X that I am aware of. We DID have F/O's leave. I flew with a 16 year Delta CAPTAIN the other day that quit to come to SWA. Speaks volumes to me.

The leather jackets are chick magnets and look WAY better than trenchcoats when worn with blue jeans.

Saying SWA will always fly 737's is like saying Delta is a cropduster flying service. Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is certain and that is that change is enevitable.

I would venture a guess that I have flown 6 legs in a day maybe twice in that past year.

Most importantly is that the General Lee is a pimple on the ass off society.

Gup

 

[chacka]

Gentlemen,
Why don't you take this debate to another thread. Maybe title it "My Airline is the Best because we layover in ________"

Let us remember why we are here, to have fun AND help our fellow aviators by sharing information.

I do have to say the whole SWA/Delta thing is very funny.

Did you see that? I am crying a river.......Anyway, Some of you corndogs are really cocky, and you are the leader. Pre-9-11 Southwest was NOTHING, with many of your Captains leaving to go to United. You need to get it into your small brain that you will always fly an orange 737. Forever. Get over yourself. But even though you may be the smallest thing around taxiing at SFO or LAX, you are the biggest in LBB. Congrats on that. Do you look like the Fonz in your leather jacket? Heeyyyyy. Have fun on your 6 legs tomorrow. And, I don't care what you do on Delta threads, you really have no idea what you are talking about, and it shows.

And yes, I am ready to be done with this thread, but I can be persuaded to stay....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[zippy32]

Did you see that? I am crying a river.......Anyway, Some of you corndogs are really cocky, and you are the leader. Pre-9-11 Southwest was NOTHING, with many of your Captains leaving to go to United. You need to get it into your small brain that you will always fly an orange 737. Forever. Get over yourself. But even though you may be the smallest thing around taxiing at SFO or LAX, you are the biggest in LBB. Congrats on that. Do you look like the Fonz in your leather jacket? Heeyyyyy. Have fun on your 6 legs tomorrow. And, I don't care what you do on Delta threads, you really have no idea what you are talking about, and it shows.

And yes, I am ready to be done with this thread, but I can be persuaded to stay....

Bye Bye--General Lee

Excuse me, sir. But you seem to be a very angry man when it comes to Southwest. Why do you feel it necessary to hijack every single SWA thread with your "6 legs a day and LBB" shtick?

 

[General Lee]

Excuse me, sir. But you seem to be a very angry man when it comes to Southwest. Why do you feel it necessary to hijack every single SWA thread with your "6 legs a day and LBB" shtick?

It really is interesting watching SWA pilots melt down when someone else, not flying for SWA, actually states that they would not want to. Sure, I would have to go through that interview etc, but I honestly would not want to do the flying SWA does. It does NOT interest me at all, since I already flew regional type flying with multiple legs per day on very few types of equipment. That is boring to me, and also very tiring. I would much rather have the option to do INTL flying, or maybe Domestic flying. I also have a choice of different aircraft at Delta, which helps with complacency. Being on one type of aircraft for the rest of my career does not appeal to me, and probably many others. Some "real pilots" who flew F15s or C5s in the Military may not care, since it is "only a paycheck." To them I say, "have fun in El Paso and Lubbock." Obviously they don't care and it is "only a paycheck." Well good for them.

I have also said I enjoy the stews at Southwest, the great pay rates, and their current management. I just don't like some of their city pairs (LBB, MAF, AMA, HRL, etc), the 25 minute turns, the mostly multiple leg days, and the one aircraft type. Other than that, I think they are a great airline......


And, there are plenty of SWA threads on this current board that I have not "hijacked." But, someone on this thread threw my name in here, and I had to respond. Thanks for inquiring.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[firstthird]

the general can't have an argument with himself guys. just stop taking the general's bait every time he cuts in on a thread and maybe the threads will stay somewhat on track.

 

[ivauir]

I someone on this thread threw my name in here, and I had to respond.

Seek help

 

[vixin]

Just ignore the Dumba55. It makes things so much better. Except when someone quotes the idiot. Then I have to at least look at the morons post.

 

[SWA/FO]

9,000 + posts of pure stupidity....

 

[Killswitch135R]

Some "real pilots" who flew F15s or C5s in the Military may not care, since it is "only a paycheck."

What's that supposed to mean?

 

[UP&COMINGSWAFA]

Hey folks I thought I'd lend some informative and factual information. Here's a list of each base from most junior to most senior. This pertains to Flight Attendant Senority. BWI, MDW, MCO, OAK, LAS, PHX, HOU, DAL. Now I tried to re-verify each base but I can't seem to open the senority lists for each base (technical difficulties). If anyone has questions in regards to SWA F/As feel free to contact me.

 

[General Lee]

the general can't have an argument with himself guys. just stop taking the general's bait every time he cuts in on a thread and maybe the threads will stay somewhat on track.

Exactly. I restarted this argument because some guy mentioned my name or made fun of me. Just leave me out of it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Some "real pilots" who flew F15s or C5s in the Military may not care, since it is "only a paycheck."

What's that supposed to mean?

Some people on here stated to me that they didn't care about flying INTL routes or flying different types of planes because they "already did that in the Military" and "they only fly now for the pay check." To them I love to say "well ok then MAVERICK. You go ICEMAN!"

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Seek help

IN LBB? Are there any good self help facilities there? Nah, I'll just respond to leather jacket Iceman wannabees on here.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

9,000 + posts of pure stupidity....

And you have read every one and keep track of them. Do you have a crush on me? Hey, I am not into that. Please, if you are, go ask ivauir.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SWA/FO]

blah, blah, blah, blah, LBB, blah, blah, $300,000, blah, blah, 6 legs, blah, blah, blah, blah, HOMO, blah, blah...etc

 

[General Lee]

blah, blah, blah, blah, LBB, blah, blah, $300,000, blah, blah, 6 legs, blah, blah, blah, blah, HOMO, blah, blah...etc

Wow, I found the word pertaining to you. I love these types of games. You sure are a funny guy. Thanks for the laughs.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Scrapdog]

Doesn't matter which base you go to because you'll still have to do LBB overnights.

There, that's one less post for the General.

I'd rather shovel (fill in the blank) in LBB than listen to the General go over his rolodex mantra of kool-aid flying with DAL. Obviously the pudgy, pasty white, soft General Lee (I'm guessing his build by his prior posts) has not spent much time in LBB...the Texas Tech women are absolutely gorgeous. Oh Jesus, I'm sorry - DAL flies big airplanes with really neat autopilots to Europe...I forgot, my bad. Hey General Clown - get away from that APU exhaust hole on your 767...it's not supposed to be used for that!