SWA or DAL

[BVT94]

When you get an international plane as a newhire, you may be stuck on reserve...a long time. More senior bubbas on the 738 or MD 88 will start bidding over to the 767ER when they know they can hold a line. I wouldn't be surprised if the domestic fleet actually shrinks and exacerbates this phenomenon.

I was referring to the Tulsa winter comment. DTW, CLE, yeah...but Tulsa?

 

[737 Pylt]

There will be a higher percentage of pilots flying international at DAL going forward. Why? CRJ-90s and EMB-175/190s doing domestic flying on the expanding regional side. I know I wouldn't want Mesa flying under my airline's banner. What ever happened to the high quality push at Delta?

I don't know either.....It makes me pretty sad we still lower ourselves to lousy service! The high quality went out when the LCC's started dominating with lower fares. You get what you pay for I guess!

So yes, newhires will feel the love of NYC reserve with the occassion international trip to enjoy. Pan Am and TWA also had a lot of international they liked to talk about. Maybe a deal with Republic and Mesa will keep your fat out of the fire and keep you from the same fate. Maybe not.

JFK is a disaster....It needs fixing, and not just from a MESA/ASA standpoint!

5-6 legs a day at SWA for more than the occasional (junior) trip? General, you are truly smoking crack on this one. Folks have told you it is false, yet you continue to say it. Your reputation is suffering becuase of it.

I'm not General, and I never said anything about this.....Who's the one smoking crack?

Bragging about being one of the highest paying Legacies? We are back to Delta of old. Bragging about the Delta lifestyle and pay. We know where that got you guys after 9/11. Good luck with that.

My comment was towards SWA prick who was bragging about his pay and how DL sucks in pay, benefits....Maybe you should direct that comment toward him!?

On the plus side--Delta is about to hire a ton of new flight attendants. Anytime an airline starts to hire big you see it. Have fun on those international layovers while the SWA guys are vacationing with the family. Different strokes for different folks.

My last international layover, I had the wife and kid with me in Europe. Like you say, different strokes for different folks!

When you get an international plane as a newhire, you may be stuck on reserve...a long time. More senior bubbas on the 738 or MD 88 will start bidding over to the 767ER when they know they can hold a line. I wouldn't be surprised if the domestic fleet actually shrinks and exacerbates this phenomenon.

Since you seem to have all the answers, maybe you could apply for a management position....Better yet, let me know what the powerball numbers are going to be this week!

737

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

Since you seem to have all the answers, maybe you could apply for a management position....Better yet, let me know what the powerball numbers are going to be this week!

737

You are right. I was responding to more than one person. You and the General. I'm glad you picked up on that.

I'm always working on where I think the industry is headed. A hobby if you will. Am I right (at all)? I am sometimes. I will offer always offer my opinion on what the future holds. I think having an opinion on such things is important for your career. Otherwise, why am I here on flightinfo?

Glad you had a good time with the family. There's room for LCCs, regionals and legacies in the future. It is my opinion that, over time, their position relative to each other will shift.

 

[Whataburger]

I'd choose SWA.

 

[737 Pylt]

You are right. I was responding to more than one person. You and the General. I'm glad you picked up on that.

I'm always working on where I think the industry is headed. A hobby if you will. Am I right (at all)? I am sometimes. I will offer always offer my opinion on what the future holds. I think having an opinion on such things is important for your career. Otherwise, why am I here on flightinfo?

Glad you had a good time with the family. There's room for LCCs, regionals and legacies in the future. It is my opinion that, over time, their position relative to each other will shift.

I agree!:beer:

737

 

[CA Calypso]

Wow, aren't you high and mighty? I guess you don't know our future plans? Things will be getting good, and remember, good ole Continental was in BK once or twice, and they are doing well now. We have gotten rid of the terrible management (Leo and the gang), brought our costs down and debt down, and have a plan to make plenty of revenue. If you want to fly the same plane the rest of your life, more than 4-5 legs a day on average, and fly to cities that aren't very fun with fairly short layovers, then do it. That doesn't float my boat, sorry. Your pay is great, but that may not be there in a few years. We had higher pay than you did, with more money in the bank, and look what happened. If Colleen Barret takes over for Gary Kelly you may be sunk.


Bye Bye--General Lee

General,

You continue to lose credibility. Your posts on SWA's layovers have been proven wrong yet you continue to repeat them. This says more about your own insecurities.

I hope your "new" management has a better plan...

You said the same things a few years ago. Remember how Song would save the airline? Look how that worked out (please read my first post on this thread).

By the way, it's takes much more than "plenty of revenue" and farming out your domestic flying to the lowest bidder to ensure the future success of Delta.

You can also thank the United boys for your higher pay prior to 9-11. They are the ones who negotiated those rates during their summer of 2000 issues - you guys just got their rates plus a percent or two. Please don't take the credit..

 

[SWA/FO]

Hey SWA/FU,

Who paid for your aviation degree at SIU? Let me guess..... Was it your Daddy who also got you the job at SWA?

No wonder you are so immature. BTW, talking about yourself in the third person is a complete sign of being self centered and immature. As in "the SWA/FU."

The SWA/FO does not have to explain himself to an individual that does not understand civilian aviation and how it works. The SWA/FO has never sucked on the Gov tit, like you have and probably continue to do.

The SWA/FO knew how to fly before he arrived at the airlines. :laugh:

the SWA/FO imp:

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The SWA/FO does not have to explain himself to an individual that does not understand civilian aviation and how it works. The SWA/FO has never sucked on the Gov tit, like you have and probably continue to do.

The SWA/FO knew how to fly before he arrived at the airlines. :laugh:

the SWA/FO imp:

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

 

[FDJ2]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

SWAPA has never negotiated an industry leading pay rate. They are more accustomed to pay rates that are 30% or more below the legacy carriers. It will be interesting to see what pay raises, if any, they negotiate.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

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[canyonblue]

SWAPA has never negotiated an industry leading pay rate.

Nor a concessionary pay-cut. I'll take our approach over yours, at least it seems to work better.

 

[canyonblue]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there?

This from an NWA pilot? Get off the computer, Steenland needs his pool cleaned. :laugh:

 

[mdf]

This from an NWA pilot? Get off the computer, Steenland needs his pool cleaned. :laugh:

Checkmate!

 

[Tejas-Jet]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

FYI...negotiations are continuing. Paywise? Most of us came here because of the way this company manages "in good times, plans for the bad times."

This has kept us in a solid growth mode, annual profits (= profit sharing) and no layoffs, which, as many on these boards know, are a true morale killer...both for those who take the partial pay/benefit cuts and those who take the 100% pay/benefit cuts.

Tejas

 

[Whataburger]

How's that pilot contract coming along over there? SW big profits = big pay raise.

Hopefully not. 20% pay raises this year could lead to 60-100% pay cuts later. I think the last 10 years have proved this theory. More, more, more, more is not how SWA rolls.