SWA lands at wrong Branson Airport

[PCL_128]

On the business side- good luck - I love hearing guys start businesses-
I've had $7 figure years and am so happy I held onto aviation and this seniority number-
Just something to think about

It is something I've thought about, and I can honestly say I'm having no second thoughts. Good for you if you continue to enjoy the airline business. But I've lost the passion for it.

 

[JT12345]

PCL_128

I think you are out of your feking mind to quit. It sounds like your next job or business has nothing to do with flying. I don't think your original reasons for flying had anything to do with your reasons for quitting.

You let the union and political bullsh!t ruin it for you. Was your original goal to invest all your time and energy in learning to fly just to do union work with your political goals as a union man.

I am calling you out as making an emotional idiotic decision.

If I were you I would first quit the union bullsh!t and disengage from the political. If I were you I would worry less about what others think or do and more about your own happiness. I find it hard not to believe you will regret quitting.

Get back on the line. Even if you drop half your flying just to work your way back up to it. Lay low. Stop hanging out in ops like a political animal, and things will die down. Get back to your base line reasons for this.

Maybe it is just me, but even as a billionaire I could not see my self not doing a couple of trips a month until I drop dead or they pull my medical.

 

[JT12345]

Oh and get off Flight Info for a few years PCL128


It came too easy, too quick, and too lucky for you. Don't take if for granted.

 

[AirCobra]

It is something I've thought about, and I can honestly say I'm having no second thoughts. Good for you if you continue to enjoy the airline business. But I've lost the passion for it.

Funny awhile back when we were discussing Spirit you called me a quitter for leaving United and its BS union problems behind. Maybe now you are getting s sense of what I felt a few years ago. Anyway if you can find a Part 135 charter gig for a few years it can pretty easily shoehorn into a nice coprporate gig. Mid six figures, nice equipment, fly 200 hours a year. It sure beats working for a living. The airlines seem like a bad dream.

I will admit flying 135 was not a lot of fun but it was over pretty quickly. You can't help but make contacts sitting around FBO's. Once you get an in, stuff like contract work or better paying jobs seem to fall into your lap. It's really nice to be able to choose from a few job offers rather than go to the bottom like changing airline jobs and with contract work its easy to make an extra $800 to $1200 a day when you want to. Just a thought.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL_128

I think you are out of your feking mind to quit.

What's a fek?

It sounds like your next job or business has nothing to do with flying. I don't think your original reasons for flying had anything to do with your reasons for quitting.

You let the union and political bullsh!t ruin it for you.

Not at all. My decision is entirely about quality of life. I've worked for employers I hate before, and that's never been a problem for me, so it wouldn't be again. Before we made the deal to get rid of the 717s, and we had the 717 fence in Atlanta, I hadn't even considered the idea of leaving, despite all of the political BS with the integration. It wasn't until after it became clear that I would either have to move or commute for many years that I started looking outside of aviation.

I am calling you out as making an emotional idiotic decision.

Hardly. No emotion is involved at all. Just a simple analysis of my QOL staying and leaving. The decision was an easy one.

Get back on the line.

I am on the line, so not sure what you mean by that.

Maybe it is just me, but even as a billionaire I could not see my self not doing a couple of trips a month until I drop dead or they pull my medical.

You must have a passion for airline flying. I don't. It's just a way to make money for me. Think about it from that perspective, and perhaps you'll understand why my decision is different than yours.

 

[JT12345]

I think you might be getting mind feked on the line. Maybe even by other pilots. Lay low and let things die down for a year or so.

I just can't help think you are jaded due to all the political involvement. Let go of that, and you might find it fun again.

"I've worked for employers I hate before"

That is your problem right there. This is a business. Love and hate... I know they talk about all the Luv, but you need to sometimes step outside and look in. You said you are in this for the money. Think of the the way management acts and what they do from that perspective instead of emotionally, and it is a lot easier to not get upset when the expectations don't always work out. From my perspective as a stupid old man compared to you this is easy money. In other ways you are still younger and dumber and full of more c#$@ than me. You have had worst QOL than this, and I think you cut the cord a long time ago from ATL. You are still single I think, and I am trying to have an idea of where the hell you are coming from with these QOL issues. I can't see it, and I think it is some sorta bullsh!t excuse cause you don't want to admit what I am trying to tell you.

I think some of management like the emotions their actions cause especially some that are no longer here. For some it is emotional ego too. There is no denying that. Other managers to cover up their mistakes. Don't be like them and try not to let the emotions drive you. I probably should not talk either from what you see from me sometimes, but what you don't realize is that you have to let it out in a way that does not get you fired, and then move on. And you did that the best way with the union hat. Just hang up that hat and put another hat on. Heck half the union guys end up switching to the opposite hat. You would probably be good at it. Some of our mutual colleges and friends especially from days long past.

Best things you can do is stay outta ops and off Flight Info. Start cycling down to the base line Heck Lear did it.

 

[PCL_128]

I think you might be getting mind feked on the line. Maybe even by other pilots. Lay low and let things die down for a year or so.

I really have no idea what you're talking about. The line is as boring as ever. No "mind feking," whatever the hell that is.

You have had worst QOL than this, and I think you cut the cord a long time ago from ATL. You are still single I think, and I am trying to have an idea of where the hell you are coming from with these QOL issues. I can't see it

You can't see it because your identity is too closely attached to your job. Frankly, I find that sad. This is just a job, my friend. Don't let it define you.

 

[JT12345]

I lowered my expectations of this industry years ago. I put a lot more importance and satisfaction in other things. It makes this so much easier.

Maybe you mistake my passion for how feked up PNCL was operationally when I got there compared to this place. I like to think my advocacy helped with the positive changes there, but for some of it unfortunately it took an accident for others to see what I was talking about. I wonder about where we are going recently too with recent news in that respect. As for AAI you have not seen me on the radar much like message boards or making stinks. Out of the lime light as much as I can. And why be in it with the FOQA data we have.

You are dodging the QOL issues.

I am already retired. When I get older I will have to slow it down some cause I will be slower physically. But hopefully the kids are on their own. As for just a job. That will happen if I lose my medical and have to come out of retirement. I do not let the Stevos and double breasted suites define retirement. That is a subjective thing and that I give back to you.

I am trying to find out where you think these greener pastures are at? The grass is not always greener on the other side.

This QOL issue is a made up thing in your head. The poor little single guy can't handle the commute to Callie or Vegas for a few years. Are you f'ing kidding me?

Fek= f'ing btw.

Doing this just for the money. Well did you realize the odds on that before you signed up for the long haul. And you are how old? Doing this just for the money is the sad part, and I still think you are full of sh!t just like the others spewing this "woe is me" cry baby crap. You just started shaving when you upgraded in the CRJ you young fek. I can't believe a guy with 30+ years left is crying about QOL.

Give me a feking break.

You are giving them what they want.

 

[PCL_128]

I lowered my expectations of this industry years ago. I put a lot more importance and satisfaction in other things. It makes this so much easier.

Like I said: sad.

I am trying to find out where you think these greener pastures are at?

I've already found them. I own my own business, set my own goals, make my own schedule, etc. I'm not subject to the whims of anyone else, and my success is solely a product of my own effort and skills. It's great. The grass really is greener sometimes. But no, you probably won't find any greener grass in the airline business, if those are your only horizons.

This QOL issue is a made up thing in your head. The poor little single guy can't handle the commute to Callie or Vegas for a few years. Are you f'ing kidding me?

Are you f'ing stupid? It's not a matter of being able to handle it. It's a matter of why would you choose to do so? Apparently you're tied to aviation and can't get away from it. I don't have that problem.

Doing this just for the money. Well did you realize the odds on that before you signed up for the long haul

Not sure what you mean. I've been very satisfied with my earnings in this career. What I'm not satisfied with is the QOL turn that things have taken.

Give me a feking break.

You don't need to be so emotional. Just relax. If you're happy with this career, then have at it! Don't worry about me. I'm far happier without it. To each his own.

 

[JT12345]

We are turning this into some sorta troll fest. I only have one or two questions there yet you feel the need to pick away like this is some sorta debate with all the quotes. I know that is what you truly thrive on, but that was really not my intent or motivation here, so I will just hope you get something outta my perspective, and have sincerely considered your actions. Life does not have to be a troll fest and that can be self destructive.

Just wanted to make sure someone called you out on your thinking in case I don't see you on the line. I did not want to do it here, but this is where you always are. You don't run into me much out there do ya? lol. Good luck.

 

[PCL_128]

You are turning this into some sorta troll fest.

Not at all. But if you want to go around telling other people what decisions they should be making in their lives, don't expect them to take it too kindly.

 

[JT12345]

Yeah well I should have just went private with this. I am tired from a long week, and did not think it would go on and on.

I will just say I have run into so many pilots who got out of it cause they could not break out of the General Aviation level only to get back in years later. I know you might find that hard to believe, but I have been in this during some hard times, and yeah we had some hard times, but not really at this level. The furloughs were short for us, and even shorter at PNCL. It is really rare for someone to just walk away at this level, and I would think the regret later on would be that much worse. It is however not unheard of. It is more about guys getting fired and spending thousands to get their jobs back.

This was not about being kind, but I hope it helped. I have not read everything on this troll board, but I doubt anyone else called you out on leaving. It is so self loathing on FI.

Anyway I should have went private with it. Mistake.

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Yeah this turned into a hijack of the thread, but it is 22 pages long already.

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Mid 6 figures? $500,000 a year to fly 200 hours? Where do I sign up?

Funny awhile back when we were discussing Spirit you called me a quitter for leaving United and its BS union problems behind. Maybe now you are getting s sense of what I felt a few years ago. Anyway if you can find a Part 135 charter gig for a few years it can pretty easily shoehorn into a nice coprporate gig. Mid six figures, nice equipment, fly 200 hours a year. It sure beats working for a living. The airlines seem like a bad dream.

I will admit flying 135 was not a lot of fun but it was over pretty quickly. You can't help but make contacts sitting around FBO's. Once you get an in, stuff like contract work or better paying jobs seem to fall into your lap. It's really nice to be able to choose from a few job offers rather than go to the bottom like changing airline jobs and with contract work its easy to make an extra $800 to $1200 a day when you want to. Just a thought.

 

[Denizen]

Mid 6 figures? $500,000 a year to fly 200 hours? Where do I sign up?

It is pilot "mid six figures"- that is about 105K including per diem.

 

[PCL_128]

Anyway I should have went private with it. Mistake.

No problem.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

You would be wrong. As usual.

Thanks for proving my point. That was too easy.

 

[AirCobra]

Mid 6 figures? $500,000 a year to fly 200 hours? Where do I sign up?

Sorry should have said mid $100,000's

 

[AirCobra]

I lowered my expectations of this industry years ago. I put a lot more importance and satisfaction in other things. It makes this so much easier.

Maybe you mistake my passion for how feked up PNCL was operationally when I got there compared to this place. I like to think my advocacy helped with the positive changes there, but for some of it unfortunately it took an accident for others to see what I was talking about. I wonder about where we are going recently too with recent news in that respect. As for AAI you have not seen me on the radar much like message boards or making stinks. Out of the lime light as much as I can. And why be in it with the FOQA data we have.

You are dodging the QOL issues.

I am already retired. When I get older I will have to slow it down some cause I will be slower physically. But hopefully the kids are on their own. As for just a job. That will happen if I lose my medical and have to come out of retirement. I do not let the Stevos and double breasted suites define retirement. That is a subjective thing and that I give back to you.

I am trying to find out where you think these greener pastures are at? The grass is not always greener on the other side.

This QOL issue is a made up thing in your head. The poor little single guy can't handle the commute to Callie or Vegas for a few years. Are you f'ing kidding me?

Fek= f'ing btw.

Doing this just for the money. Well did you realize the odds on that before you signed up for the long haul. And you are how old? Doing this just for the money is the sad part, and I still think you are full of sh!t just like the others spewing this "woe is me" cry baby crap. You just started shaving when you upgraded in the CRJ you young fek. I can't believe a guy with 30+ years left is crying about QOL.

Give me a feking break.

You are giving them what they want.

I see what you are saying but airline flying does not have to be the end all in aviation. I though I would be an airline pilot all my life until I actually did it. I got furloughed (horrible at the time but now probably the best thing that happened to me) and wound up with 135 gig, then a corporate job and never looked back. When I listen to what you guys put up with I just shake my head and ask "why?"

There are a lot of other avenues to explore. I have friends that went into aircraft sales, production test flying, instructing, CBP, or consulting and never looked back. We laugh about the airline BS we used to put up with and worry about. It all seems so trivial now (I mean no offense, I know its your livelihood).

I mean if you guys are wrapped up in 2% versus 2.3% or if you are going to be 4300 or 4301 on a seniority list, did you think of exploring different opportunities? There is a lot of different opportunities out there if you can get out of the mindset that if things don't work at Air Express you will have to go work at Express Air.

 

[dicko]

Yeah, I'm starting to give more credence to the distressed carrier title

You know when that title was earned, right dicko?

Every carrier involved in a purchase/merger of another carrier is deemed distressed by the FAA. You'd know that, since you're a self proclaimed veteran of the industry.

SWA was having issues in flight ops long before AirTran was saved. What's your next excuse Wave ? A unicorn wearing an AirTran hat buggered you on the way to work ?

Have any AirTran pilots been involved in your last string of events ? The answer is ....... No.

 

[slaquer5]

I see what you are saying but airline flying does not have to be the end all in aviation. I though I would be an airline pilot all my life until I actually did it. I got furloughed (horrible at the time but now probably the best thing that happened to me) and wound up with 135 gig, then a corporate job and never looked back. When I listen to what you guys put up with I just shake my head and ask "why?"

There are a lot of other avenues to explore. I have friends that went into aircraft sales, production test flying, instructing, CBP, or consulting and never looked back. We laugh about the airline BS we used to put up with and worry about. It all seems so trivial now (I mean no offense, I know its your livelihood).

I mean if you guys are wrapped up in 2% versus 2.3% or if you are going to be 4300 or 4301 on a seniority list, did you think of exploring different opportunities? There is a lot of different opportunities out there if you can get out of the mindset that if things don't work at Air Express you will have to go work at Express Air.

You sound like your still trying to convince your self you made the right choice .

By how much your on an airline Fourm , I think you have a long way to go in convincing yourself.