SWA lands at wrong Branson Airport

[PBRstreetgang]

News flash- We get priority from atc bc we move metal, not pizza parties-

Too bad its not always to the right airport....double pepperoni, double cheese.....

 

[waveflyer]

Hahaha- man, I hooked like 7 of you with that.

I think it's often prudent guys- certainly would've saved us that night and if it's in your procedures I bet we see it-

That said I don't want us to lose the ability to be pilots and use that when we can- our judgement is being taken away from us instead of trained into us- and I don't think there's any getting away from using our own judgement online.

As for always fly over the FAF- My last two flights into oak were from sea and Pdx -
Really? Go all the way to Mitoe? It's like 8 miles
How about smf from the south? And bc of timing if we HAD to do that, we'd have got Fedex'd all the way to San Jose
I'm Vegas based and tend to stay west hence my examples
We can't do that at those, but we'll do the circle to 22 in mdw?
C'mon-

How about we learn the lesson and use our available tools and gain more technology to help- be more vigilant then let us work-
This does put the exclamation point on anybody still resistant to technology- we can't afford the guys who don't use all their tools

All my jet types have the circle limits pu$$y Ty - dang, wish I was a real pilot

 

[Ty Webb]

When I go into MDW, I check on with "Information Ditka".

Ditka always calls da plays in Chicago . . . 31C every time, dahhhl.

Then I throw my pizza order out the DV window as I pass Giordano's . . . That way, it'll be waiting for me at the gate. Grab couple a' Old Styles, head for da hotel.

:laugh:

 

[canyonblue]

I don't cut inside the FAF, period.

So you won't sidestep in PHX, MCO, LAX etc..? Sometimes you end up inside the FAF if you accept it. What is the AAI policy on that?

 

[waveflyer]

Nice TY

 

[Ty Webb]

So you won't sidestep in PHX, MCO, LAX etc..? Sometimes you end up inside the FAF if you accept it. What is the AAI policy on that?

I like sidestepping as much as the next guy, but if you want to cover all your bases, you should review the landing data for that runway and cover it in your brief.

The only surprise I like is what's on tap at the hotel.

 

[scoreboardII]

PS . . . How many jet type ratings are on your certificate without a limitation on circling? I'm betting zero.

Pu$$y!

:laugh:

Uhhh, all of them. SWA requires unrestricted type, meaning, circling required.

 

[waveflyer]

That's right, 73 is not restricted
For any of us Ty
That's pretty funny
I guess none of us are pu$$ies

 

[dicko]

Well that explains the 10 mile downwinds i've experienced. If you can't land an airplane from abeam the numbers, you just plain suck. Also, if you land at the wrong airport, you would suck also.

Well made points as usual -

The FAF is generally half that distance from the runway. Maybe you should rethink your technique ?

How badly do you suck if you tail strike eight 737-800s ? If one's a hull loss is that worse or better ?

So many questions and so little time. Perhaps Wave will answer with a "you're a puzzy if you're not dragging metal down a runway".

 

[dicko]

I have no desire to turn into a group of morons who can't do a visual rolling out stable at 1000'

When you get a chance call your FOQA guy, and then re-read what you just wrote.

 

[waveflyer]

I've actually done a bit of work with the gatekeepers and have worked with foqa/fdap managers industry wide-
So....
Should I still re-read that?

 

[waveflyer]

How many -800's have you flown dicko?

 

[HowardBorden]

SWA IMHO is like a CAT who has used up 8 of 9 lives. How much longer can they get away with their feisty little mistakes?

A quick google search of: "What US airline is safest?", SWA consistently is near the top globaly and certainly one of the best ranked US airlines. So in answer to your question about how long can they get away with their little mistakes I will say a long time since their record is consistently near the top of the heap when measuring safety.

For leading U.S. carriers, there are a whole lot of flights, few incidents and even fewer accidents. So, while it's possible to say mathematically that Southwest outranks US Airways, the difference between Southwest's 0.0000203 and US Airways' 0.0000212 is?small. Too small to have real-world significance, it's a splitting of hairs so tiny as to require nano-tweezers.
Rankings Show Airline Safety Record

AirTran, Incidents per flight: 0.0000196
Southwest, Incidents per flight: 0.0000203
US Airways, Incidents per flight: 0.0000212
Continental, Incidents per flight: 0.0000260
Delta, Incidents per flight: 0.0000386
United Airlines, Incidents per flight: 0.0000407
American Airlines, Incidents per flight: 0.0000701
--Source: FAA and NTSB

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/safe...ays-safest-fewest-incidents/story?id=13347280


Southwest Airlines

Southwest has not reported a fatality in its operating history, according to the Consumer Warning Network, making it the safest major airline in the world. Southwest ranks at number two on ABC's safest airline list as well, with a 0.0000203 percent chance of an incident on its flights.
http://traveltips.usatoday.com/list-safest-airlines-100073.html


#2 Southwest Airlines-Country, USA
http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/news/2013/02/15/countdown-safest-us-airlines.html?s=image_gallery


No. 3 Southwest (tie)

32 points
Long a passenger favorite, Southwest has proven that a low-cost, no-frills airline can also excel when it comes to safety. One of the few large U.S. airlines that doesn?t charge for the first or second checked bag, the Texas-based carrier has a reputation for jolly cabin crew as well as innovative seating and boarding.

http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/worlds-safest-airlines/5

 

[dicko]

How many -800's have you flown dicko?

Zero.

Like all AirTran 73 pilots, we've received differences training on it in the sim.We starting that about eight years ago. Yes, I'm familiar with the higher approach speeds etc.

You understand the point I was making. How is your question relevant ?

 

[waveflyer]

I like sidestepping as much as the next guy, but if you want to cover all your bases, you should review the landing data for that runway and cover it in your brief.

The only surprise I like is what's on tap at the hotel.

Why would you be surprised by something that's always an option

 

[waveflyer]

Zero.

Like all AirTran 73 pilots, we've received differences training on it in the sim.We starting that about eight years ago. Yes, I'm familiar with the higher approach speeds etc.

You understand the point I was making. How is your question relevant ?

Well, my point is you and I have both tail skidded the same number of -800's
What was your point?

 

[dicko]

Well, my point is you and I have both tail skidded the same number of -800's
What was your point?

That we should be deeply concerned by a continuing trend that's heading in the wrong direction. My fear is that we're not evolving fast enough.

 

[waveflyer]

That we should be deeply concerned by a continuing trend that's heading in the wrong direction. My fear is that we're not evolving fast enough.

Yeah, I'm starting to give more credence to the distressed carrier title

You know when that title was earned, right dicko?

 

[ultrarunner]

What exactly is an "emergency takeoff"?

Bubba

You're out in the bush and Charlie is firing RPG's at your slick during your dust-off...

And you don't want to die...

That is an emergency take-off...

Got it?

 

[waveflyer]

Thanks kernel

Had one of those out of El Paso last week

Damn cartel almost orphaned my kid, but I had that emergency takeoff ready to roll