SWA lands at wrong Branson Airport

[Dumb Pilot]

You need to network more, then. Many, many, many corporate flight departments fly very very weekends or Holidays. I know quite a few -91 guys who are in their own beds 24-25 nights a month and have all major holidays off. How many 121 guys can say the same? Of those who can, how many years after being hired at a major can they claim the same? I know many 121 major guys who are in their 40s who can't get thanksgiving and Xmas off. One thing to get them off have them off with little kids at home, quite another to have them off when the house is empty.

I spent the first 16 years of my time in this paid hobby of ours flying corporate, sure there are a handful of jobs on the corporate side that are as you described, but the reality is that most of the corporate jobs just plain suck.....! You spend most of your time playing a very delicate dance around your boss's mood, and worst yet, dancing around his wive's mood.....! Always in constant politics, with the partners, the guest (that most of the time were more of a pain in the rear end) obligated to be all up on their business because there is no way that you can separate their private lives from your day to day. I'm happy for your friend as it seems he got a hell of a job, but to say that this kind of lifestyle is the norm flying corporate is just plain nonsense.

 

[Ty Webb]

I was flying Lears at 21 yrs old . Right out of college .

It was considered a good corporate job.


Corporate sucks .

So, your job at 21, flying as a Lear FO, convinced you that "corporate sucks", huh?

 

[slaquer5]

So, your job at 21, flying as a Lear FO, convinced you that "corporate sucks", huh?

That and how many corporate pilots I have flown with that have said how much better the airlines are.

Actually Ty corporate is great , why don't you go get one of those jobs.

 

[Ty Webb]

That and how many corporate pilots I have flown with that have said how much better the airlines are.

Actually Ty corporate is great , why don't you go get one of those jobs.

I've actually had a good corporate job. If you'd had one (instead of believing you had one), you would realize how stupid your generalization sounds.

If a good corporate job came around now, I sure wouldn't be stupid enough to dismiss it out of hand. The key is knowing how to tell the difference. I'm betting you can't.

 

[slaquer5]

I've actually had a good corporate job. If you'd had one (instead of believing you had one), you would realize how stupid your generalization sounds.

If a good corporate job came around now, I sure wouldn't be stupid enough to dismiss it out of hand. The key is knowing how to tell the difference. I'm betting you can't.

Prove me wrong. Go get one

 

[twepilot]

The best line I ever heard about corp flying is...
Me: Do you guys get weekends off?
Pilot: Yes, and Thanksgiving and Christmas as long as were not flying.

God Bless Eddie Shaw!!

 

[booo]

I had a GREAT corporate job! Hired, got typed and current, furloughed and made the mins for a job in the majors! Love those guys, still feed my dogs their pet food to my animals, too!

 

[imacdog]

So, your job at 21, flying as a Lear FO, convinced you that "corporate sucks", huh?

Of course! It was considered a good job, after all. Because, you know, the best corporate jobs out there are the ones looking for low time fresh college grads.

 

[Ty Webb]

Of course! It was considered a good job, after all. Because, you know, the best corporate jobs out there are the ones looking for low time fresh college grads.

Exactamente . . . . and ones with such winning personalities, too.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Wow, this thread is a new low. How can any professional airline pilot use another carrier's tragic loss to further there schoolyard antics.

I have never read a more class-less thread. Of course there are criminal, negligent, or just plain stupid actions that sometimes lead to these tragedies, but sometimes there isn't.

If you guys weren't so he'll bent on trash talking each other perhaps we could actually learn something.

For instance studying accidents and statistics would show you that incidents will pile up on one person or one carrier just from random chance, so if American has more fatal crashes per cycle than United, it means very little and can not be used as an argument that the pilots or procedures at one airline are better than another.

But by all means let's keep disrespecting dead kids, vilifying pilots who were set up to fail (the actual winds and runway condition at Midway that night) and pulling our puds out to beat the same tired topics to death.

 

[PCL_128]

I would argue that the only people who are "disrespecting dead kids" are the ones continuing to claim that their airline has never had a fatal accident, despite a dead kid.

 

[redflyer65]

Let me fix it for you PCL...


No passenger has ever perished on a SW plane. Ever.

Even after 3000 flights a day for almost 42 years (that's over 15 thousand days). And I hope that record continues for another 40+ years.

Was the MDW accident tragic? Absolutely. But you have trouble with the SW safety record above?

 

[canyonblue]

I would argue that the only people who are "disrespecting dead kids" are the ones continuing to claim that their airline has never had a fatal accident, despite a dead kid.

Just shut up while you're behind.

 

[PCL_128]

red, while that's a more honest statement, it's still intentionally deceptive. Your company's airplane struck a car and killed a child. Perhaps instead of talking about how no one has died on your airplanes, you should instead just stick to touting the overall safety record. Frankly, the record is impressive (even though I think it's purely luck). You shouldn't need to spin the truth to make it sound good.

 

[HowardBorden]

Frankly, the record is impressive (even though I think it's purely luck).

luck
noun: luck
1. Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

Yep, that's most definitely it.

 

[PCL_128]

luck
noun: luck
1. Success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

Yep, that's most definitely it.

Are you arguing that your company's practices are superior in safety than Delta's, United's, American's, etc.? I think that would be a difficult argument for you to make. Luck is the obvious explanation.

 

[HowardBorden]

Are you arguing that your company's practices are superior in safety than Delta's, United's, American's, etc.? I think that would be a difficult argument for you to make. Luck is the obvious explanation.

No, I'm arguing that our safety record is exemplary and attributing it to luck is absolutely ridiculous. If you truly believe that luck is what prevents aviation accidents then I submit you are a buffoon.

 

[redflyer65]

Frankly, the record is impressive (even though I think it's purely luck). You shouldn't need to spin the truth to make it sound good.

Impressive? Yep.

So your assertion is 40+ years of luck?

I can see where a college class in Statistics may have helped you here. Is it possible that some luck was involved? Sure, but the shear number of years more than make up for 'just luck'.

 

[PCL_128]

No, I'm arguing that our safety record is exemplary and attributing it to luck is absolutely ridiculous. If you truly believe that luck is what prevents aviation accidents then I submit you are a buffoon.

That's not what I said, clearly. But you've had no fatalities on your airplanes over the same time period that most other airlines have had at least some. My point is that that is luck, because your safety practices are certainly not superior to theirs. The overall radical improvement in safety industry-wide has definitely not been luck, which can be attributed to a lot of things.

 

[twepilot]

Toad, instead of digging to china, why don't you go outside and help clear the roadways here. At least by doing that you'll accomplish something...

RV