SWA is in position to dominate ATL

[BOX OFFICE]

You honestly think that the busiest airport in the world will cater to dedicating 10/28 to SWA, thus disrupting the flow of traffic? Seriously, you honestly think a MDW flight is going to be given 28 on a routine basis?

Good luck with that dream, but it ain't happening.

Then why did they clear the land over there? Apparently Airtran considered it at some point. And in case you haven't flown to a lot of SWA cities like we do on the 88, ATC generally lets SWA do whatever they want. Watch them get assigned the 10/28 transition even from up north. What you don't understand about ATC is that if they're using a "trip" configuration, ATC doesn't really care who gets assigned what, they just randomly assign SOMEBODY the transition. If SWA requests that most of those transitions go to them, they'll probably get it, because ATC DOESN'T CARE WHO DOES IT AS LONG AS SOMEONE DOES IT. Get it?

She doesn't? She told me she was a Delta pilot? Oh, right, that wasn't the truth.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Keep living the dream, General. I think they're missing you over on the regional forum... you might need to go slumming again and "impress" them with your amazing wit and sense of humor.

 

[redflyer65]

ATC really knows that SW is mission oriented, get the job done. Most legacies are interested in slowing it down and padding the paycheck. Two completely different ways of operating.. and they understand that.

I rode on DL not too long ago and there was a slight delay at the gate for a mechanical. 15-20 minutes. No big deal right? Once taxing out, the CA was moving at 1mph for 25+ minutes to get to the runway....AFTER the delay at the gate. (and no, there was no traffic or flow time) His goal was to maximize his paycheck and could careless about the people behind him. Just one example of the stuff that happens everday.

 

[PapaWoody]

ATC really knows that SW is mission oriented, get the job done. Most legacies are interested in slowing it down and padding the paycheck. Two completely different ways of operating.. and they understand that.

I rode on DL not too long ago and there was a slight delay at the gate for a mechanical. 15-20 minutes. No big deal right? Once taxing out, the CA was moving at 1mph for 25+ minutes to get to the runway....AFTER the delay at the gate. (and no, there was no traffic or flow time) His goal was to maximize his paycheck and could careless about the people behind him. Just one example of the stuff that happens everday.

C'mon Red...he was just trying to safely taxi the aircraft. Everyone knows you can't taxi faster than 1 mph and still be safe. It's impossible. Safety is paramount to Delta, that and the customer service experience.

PW

 

[PuffDriver]

Then why did they clear the land over there? Apparently Airtran considered it at some point. And in case you haven't flown to a lot of SWA cities like we do on the 88, ATC generally lets SWA do whatever they want. Watch them get assigned the 10/28 transition even from up north. What you don't understand about ATC is that if they're using a "trip" configuration, ATC doesn't really care who gets assigned what, they just randomly assign SOMEBODY the transition. If SWA requests that most of those transitions go to them, they'll probably get it, because ATC DOESN'T CARE WHO DOES IT AS LONG AS SOMEONE DOES IT. Get it?

As I thought, you have no idea how ATC works. No pretending needed.

 

[PuffDriver]

ATC really knows that SW is mission oriented, get the job done. Most legacies are interested in slowing it down and padding the paycheck. Two completely different ways of operating.. and they understand that.

I rode on DL not too long ago and there was a slight delay at the gate for a mechanical. 15-20 minutes. No big deal right? Once taxing out, the CA was moving at 1mph for 25+ minutes to get to the runway....AFTER the delay at the gate. (and no, there was no traffic or flow time) His goal was to maximize his paycheck and could careless about the people behind him. Just one example of the stuff that happens everday.

I don't know where you get the idea that "most legacies" are interested in slowing down ATC, but this "legacy" captain isn't. Don't get me wrong, I don't taxi just under rotation speed like SWA, but over 20 kts on straightaways is pretty routine for me.

Seems as if SWA pilots are the arrogant ones around here to me.

 

[redflyer65]

Puff,

Maybe I painted with too broad a brush...but I do see it very often. If you are one of the guys that uses his head with taxi speed and time management for the customers, then that's awesome. That's what you should be doing.

There are plenty of others that are in it just for themselves. It's sad.

 

[Flopgut]

Red: What you don't understand is that, at least at a certain level, you have to share the airspace. But you're going to fugure it out someday. The SWA, road rage taxi mentality is not going to suit you flying international. You start flying places with one or two runways that have a lot of arrivals at once and ATC isn't going to let you pull the crap. And you are painting "with too broad a brush" and it shows a real lack of SA on your part of what goes on at other carriers. When your FAs have to start doing a longer demo (over water) and they have to do it in two languages your taxi will slow down. Think dude. It's kind of like when Chase got on here and started asking etops questions.

 

[Noserider76]

Seems as if SWA pilots are the arrogant ones around here to me.

Yup. Think it's the more recently hired ones. Pretty sad bunch.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yup. Think it's the more recently hired ones. Pretty sad bunch.

Yup . . . . and they're the same ones that somehow feel entitled to the Captain seats in the planes AAI is bringing to the merger. . . . . . and are threatening to stink up the place if they don't get their way. :erm:

 

[GuppyWN]

Yup . . . . and they're the same ones that somehow feel entitled to the Captain seats in the planes AAI is bringing to the merger. . . . . . and are threatening to stink up the place if they don't get their way. :erm:

If you could explain how that is Fair and Equitable to me then maybe I'll agree with you.

Gup

 

[Dan Roman]

I'm still trying to figure out how anyone could perceive that the article in the beginning of this post alludes to anything about SWA dominating ATL????? It seems to say the opposite to me. This could also be their Waterloo.

 

[Dan Roman]

And yes there are SOME SWA pilots that do taxi way too fast and it's at the very least unprofessional and identifes them as second rate pilots. But not all of them by any means. Yes there are some legacy pilots that taxi too slow, again very few. Also as Flopgut said, legacy pilots in widebodies usually have longer PA recordings and they have to plan for that. I would guess it's about the same number of legacy pilots that drag their feet as there are Danica Patrick wannabees at SWA.

 

[Ty Webb]

If you could explain how that is Fair and Equitable to me then maybe I'll agree with you.

Gup

Not sure what you mean, Gup. Obviously, I don't think that scalping AAI Captains is "fair and equitable" . . .

BTW, determining what is "Fair and Equitable" requires a high degree of objectivity . . . I doubt any of us are really able to be that objective, myself included.

 

[redflyer65]

Yup . . . . and they're the same ones that somehow feel entitled to the Captain seats in the planes AAI is bringing to the merger. . . . . . and are threatening to stink up the place if they don't get their way. :erm:

I could careless whether you keep your seat or not, but it would be nice if you could explain why a 12 year Southwest FO could be jumped over by an 8 year AAI CA that is getting ready to obtain a windfall. It's not even close to reality...and most of the AAI guys understand that. Except for a few on FI.

Arrogant? Do all of you have General and OYS on ignore? That's apples and organges as well.

 

[GuppyWN]

Not sure what you mean, Gup. Obviously, I don't think that scalping AAI Captains is "fair and equitable" . . .

BTW, determining what is "Fair and Equitable" requires a high degree of objectivity . . . I doubt any of us are really able to be that objective, myself included.

Thanks Ty,

So you're saying that it MIGHT be Fair and Equitable for a 7 year Airtran Captain to lose "his" seat if he gets compensated FAIRLY and EQUITABLY?

Gup

 

[Lear70]

If you could explain how that is Fair and Equitable to me then maybe I'll agree with you.

Gup

I'm still trying to figure out how taking a Captain's seat away from him is "fair and equitable", since no one else has been able to explain how it's fair, more of an argument about comparable money than how it's right to take someone's seat away. Hell, even RAH/F9 didn't displace Captains, and F9 was in bankruptcy!

Not to mention the training involved in displacing 200 or so junior CA's into different aircraft. Potentially 600-800 training events at $25k or so a pop? You know SWA management wouldn't appreciate that kind of wasteful money spending (which is why fences are historically put in place).

Just a thought...

 

[Ty Webb]

I could careless whether you keep your seat or not, but it would be nice if you could explain why a 12 year Southwest FO could be jumped over by an 8 year AAI CA that is getting ready to obtain a windfall.

Your question suggests you haven't read the definition of "windfall" in regards to M-B/ Allegheny Mohawk, etc.

"Windfall", in the context of SLI involves a "taking from one party" and "giving to another". Being on the same hourly pay is not a "windfall", since it doesn't take away from anyone.

Taking a Captain seat from one, and giving it to another would be much closer to the meaning of "windfall".

It's not even close to reality...and most of the AAI guys understand that. Except for a few on FI.

Actually, if you strike the responses from both AAI and SWA guys, (and the General and OYS) you'll find that most pilots on here are telling you that all that really matters in the end are seat, equipment, and how long you anticipate being in that seat for until you retire.

Hourly pay rates, drink specials, and friendly management aren't going to replace those constants.

 

[miles otoole]

Jeez-just let a neutral unbiased arbitrator decide and then move on, all toward a better COMPANY. Plenty of $$$ to go around (especially with people flying 200+ TFPs/ month.

 

[GuppyWN]

Lear,

I'm not going there!

I'm simply saying there are two sides to every coin.

Gup

 

[GuppyWN]

Jeez-just let a neutral unbiased arbitrator decide and then move on, all toward a better COMPANY. Plenty of $$$ to go around (especially with people flying 200+ TFPs/ month.

A neutral unbiased arbitrator that doesn't fly airplanes for a living and doesn't understand the nuances of our business?

I'm holding out for a negotiated settlement. It WILL be better for all of us.

Gup