SWA f/o arrested for intoxication

[NTS ALL 4]

Wow!

Well said, agree 100%.

Also, do you know what the difference is between Neil Armstrong and Michael Jackson? Neil Armstrong likes to walk on the moon and Michael Jackson likes to f**k little boys!

I don't care who you are, where you are, or what your views are....that is some funny shnizel!

My hat is off too you Jack with that one.

 

[LarryinTN]

.039% doesn't clear you. It just means that they'll have to prove that you were intoxicated, or that you drank within 8 hours, through some other means.

 

[wings421]

He says he had only 2 large beers at brewvies, 1 at the hotel, and oh yeah I forgot about that shot of vodka. Either I missed it or no one in this thread mentioned is what was the actual size of the "2 large beers", were they real large like "The Roaster" in SEA 32oz? If so this guy had a total of 6.5 beers and a shot. I read somewhere that the avg. male metabolizes alcohol at about 1 beer/shot per hour. So if this guy stopped at exactly 8 hours prior and went straight to bed, with a 1 hour show time you can see where he would/could still have some in his system. I admire (am jealous alot of times at the fun the SW crews appear to have on layovers, but maybe it is time for a 12 hour rule like we have at NW. And before anyone jumps my ass about our past and probably future incidents, my point is w/12hrs which everyone I have been out with adheres to religously this guy would probably never been in this situation.

Average adult male sobers up at about .015 per hour.

Example: 14 1/2 hour overnight. Your weight is 180lbs and you are a male. Have 8-12oz. beers over a two hour period at the bar. Assuming that your airline has a 12 hour rule, and you quit right on time, you would have no alcohol in your system (on average) in 9 1/2 hours.

There are a lot of good alcohol calculators on the net worth checking out. If you drink on overnights, its good to have an idea whats going to put you over the limit. Certainly, I'd not cut it as close as my example above, but you get the idea.

Girls, your BAC will increase quicker than guys do, so keep that in mind. TIME is the only way to get alcohol out of the system!

 

[Uppercrust]

Average adult male sobers up at about .015 per hour.

Example: 14 1/2 hour overnight. Your weight is 180lbs and you are a male. Have 8-12oz. beers over a two hour period at the bar. Assuming that your airline has a 12 hour rule, and you quit right on time, you would have no alcohol in your system (on average) in 9 1/2 hours.

There are a lot of good alcohol calculators on the net worth checking out. If you drink on overnights, its good to have an idea whats going to put you over the limit. Certainly, I'd not cut it as close as my example above, but you get the idea.

Girls, your BAC will increase quicker than guys do, so keep that in mind. TIME is the only way to get alcohol out of the system!

Coffee and a cold shower can lower it too.

 

[wings421]

Coffee and a cold shower can lower it too.

oooo...yeah...um...I'm going to have go ahead and sorta disagree with you there

 

[Uppercrust]

oooo...yeah...um...I'm going to have go ahead and sorta disagree with you there

Nice avatar.

 

[pilotgolfer]

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[SoCentralRain]

Nice avatar.

Ditto.

 

[canyonblue]

....maybe it is time for a 12 hour rule like we have at NW. And before anyone jumps my ass about our past and probably future incidents, my point is w/12hrs which everyone I have been out with adheres to religously this guy would probably never been in this situation.

SWA has 2 very distinct types of flying, AM's & PM's. Both afford you the chance to have a few drinks with the crew with well over 12 hours before your show. Common sense cannot dictate for the AM'er who wants to drink @ 11 PM. Nor can it save the PM'er who wants to drink at 6 AM. People have to make sane decisions first, and no rule (12 or 24 hours) is going to save certain people who have obvious problems adhering to the rules.

 

[Judge]

""Girls, your BAC will increase quicker than guys do, so keep that in mind. ""

Thank God for that.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

TSA To Stupid for Arby's

Nice....:beer:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Have sex with flight attendants on the road. Drink at home.

(That coming from a guy who flies boxes, so take it with a grain of salt...)

Not sure what FAs you are checking out when you airline Albie but the FAs of yesteryear are exactly that.....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I know I am going to get flamed for this, but I don't really care......

First an foremost, I wish this guy and his family all the best for his recovery. However, I cannot and will not defend a guy that shows up for work in the condition he was. Perhaps someone with an alcohol problem works just peachy when he is .039, but I sure as hell don't want him flying my family around. The three beers on an overnight of 14 hours is something I have done many a time. But the vodka is what did this guy in. It is not possible to blow more than a .02 12 hours after 3 beers.

Secondly, and this is where we are all missing the point. If I understand the timeline of what happened and when, if he blew a .039 an hour after he was removed from the plane, under normal circumstances he was .049 when he was sitting in the seat. That is OVER the limit.

As I sit here and read these posts, I can certainly understand the circling of the wagons around a fellow pilot who got shelled by the TSA. But this profession has taken some serious hits in the past few years by guys doing stupid crap that takes years to get out of the publics system. I still get comments about the poor NWA souls that were caught up at Fargo and allowed to fly to MSP.

I agree with a previous poster, forgive me I don't remember who, who said we all need to look out for each other and not allow this crap to continue.

Soapbox away.

A350

A350....

Why don't you tell people who comment about Lyle Prouse, what he did afterwards... That guy has more integrity respect than most. I admire the guy.

While the other two guys are rotting in jail, Lyle finished his career in the left seat of a 747. Tell the full story and you'll shut down the commentators...

 

[FatesPawn]

I haven't participated in these forums much lately, but as one of my own seems to be on trial in court, the media, and flightinfo, I feel I need to respond to the one medium I can.

First of all, of course everyone is circling the wagons. After years and years of shoddy treatment from the media, government, and airline managements, WE are the only thing WE have left.

To the many of you who are expousing .02, .04, .10 BAC and 12 hours bottle-to-show/push etc.... If you don't know the FAR's and SWA company policy, stay out of the discussion. What this comes down to is FAR's and company policy with regard to the guy's future at SWA. Nevada state law, or Salt Lake City ordinances don't mean squat except to the prosecuters. The bottom line is that IF the .039 is true, he neither violated FAR or company policy. I'm not going to go into company policy, but the bottom line is that he WILL get some counseling. With regard to FAR's, well, if you don't know .04 get out of the game.

350, and SWA/FO... I know that you are both up in arms about blowing .039 AFTER time had passed... but the reality is that the FAR's are based on a measurable testing procedure with KNOWN factors that affect the test's very outcome. OF COURSE you can't get breathalized the MINUTE you go on duty or push back from the gate. There HAS to be a set of numbers/minumums/maximums and 8 hours and a .04 BAC test are those units of measure. Frankly, the FAA is telling us that you're free to go on an all night bender as long as you are below .04 at the time of testing. The comments about the body's ability to metabolize alcohol very telling with that regard. I personally think it should be .00, but that's not for me to decide. Write your congressman.

TWAdude was spot-on with his comment about this is no reason for celebration. I am RELIEVED that he'll likely get to keep his career, but I'm also angered that one of our own seemingly didn't exercise better judgement.

As for the tests, company policies, and regulations... they are what they are. Are we going to argue for MORE testing and MORE stringent regulation?

 

[furloughed dude]

Lyle Prouse? That guy ought to be shot. He was the captain and got his job back by stating he was an alchoholic. Yeah, no kidding... He certainly deserved the treatment the FO and SO got...

This guy is going to fry. He was definitely over .04 when he showed to work. My guess is that he will get convicted and never fly again....

Man, Southwest sure is getting bad press lately....