SWA crew names released

[Critter717]

Dan, I find it odd that a Hawaiian A330 capt has such a hard on for how SWA operates- you're in left field with that my man.
And of all pilots, how much can you say you truly observe SWA operate? Compared to all the others out there. Nobody's picking up the torch you're passing- why not?

MJ, hey brother I just caught your post about understanding life as an FO here. I appreciate that man, but in all honesty- you guys who were FOs here 10-12 years ago had it much harder and apparently did the heavy lifting with changing the culture- bc it just hasn't been that bad in the right seat here. But I've heard stories that sounded tough to put up with.

I do think you should let go of that tiller help idea though. It does appear to be flat out wrong. As far as asymmetric thrust- you know what we're supposed to do on every leg- cl or ng- spool up to 40% stabilized and go from there- most of the spilt is recognizable and stable by then, but not going crazy at 40%- Then its pretty smooth and even from 40% on up to t/o thrust, even if youre pushing up a split hand-
I've had huge splits, at low speeds and never once been uncontrollable with nothing but feet on pedals-
I agree with blue above- I would not want tiller inputs from a capt without some kind of clear communication that you have the plane. Both of us putting in nose wheel inputs isn't safe.

I think there are probably a lot of folks that would agree with Dan's assessment but prefer to stay out of the mix. We all get that Southwest is not Delta, United, etc. There is a lot to be said for standardization, especially on multi leg days. After riding on SWA jumpseats a lot over the last year I can say that I have not seen things done the same way twice. Its an observation, not an attack.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan, I find it odd that a Hawaiian A330 capt has such a hard on for how SWA operates- you're in left field with that my man.
And of all pilots, how much can you say you truly observe SWA operate? Compared to all the others out there. Nobody's picking up the torch you're passing- why .

I'm not sure how what I fly is relevant??? This is a forum for pilots of all airlines, which is why I get on here. I find it interesting and sometimes informative to hear what others are thinking at other airlines. It's a bit narcissistic to think someone's opinion isn't valid if they work for an airline other than your own. Just like you can learn something from anyone you fly with and the more varied their backgrounds the more opportunity there is to learn or hear something interesting, the same goes for hearing the perspective of pilots from other airlines.

 

[Dan Roman]

I think there are probably a lot of folks that would agree with Dan's assessment but prefer to stay out of the mix. We all get that Southwest is not Delta, United, etc. There is a lot to be said for standardization, especially on multi leg days. After riding on SWA jumpseats a lot over the last year I can say that I have not seen things done the same way twice. Its an observation, not an attack.

And the part about not being an attack is a good one. I'm not "bashing" SWA here either. It's just an observation. Like I said earlier, we had issues with non standardized flying back in the 90's. Hawaiian used to be a mix of 3 different DC-9 models and DHC-7's flying inter island and L1011's and DC-8's flying all over the world. We weren't very standardized at all. We have changed for the better and I can assure you it's a good thing.

 

[waveflyer]

I'm not sure how what I fly is relevant??? This is a forum for pilots of all airlines, which is why I get on here. I find it interesting and sometimes informative to hear what others are thinking at other airlines. It's a bit narcissistic to think someone's opinion isn't valid if they work for an airline other than your own. Just like you can learn something from anyone you fly with and the more varied their backgrounds the more opportunity there is to learn or hear something interesting, the same goes for hearing the perspective of pilots from other airlines.

No, it's geography Dan.
I'm saying your exposure to us isn't exactly a relevant sample

 

[waveflyer]

I think there are probably a lot of folks that would agree with Dan's assessment but prefer to stay out of the mix. We all get that Southwest is not Delta, United, etc. There is a lot to be said for standardization, especially on multi leg days. After riding on SWA jumpseats a lot over the last year I can say that I have not seen things done the same way twice. Its an observation, not an attack.

Well, I've been working here 7 years and see captains doing the same thing day in day out-
Your standardization issues are at least a decade old fellas

 

[Dan Roman]

No, it's geography Dan.
I'm saying your exposure to us isn't exactly a relevant sample

You do know we fly into three of your hubs, OAK,PHX,LAS? We also cross paths in SAN,LAX,SMF, PDX etc.
Again, not bashing you guys, really. But the simple fact is SWA taxis, on average, much faster than any other airline out there. It can lead to problems.

 

[texman]

You do know we fly into three of your hubs, OAK,PHX,LAS? We also cross paths in SAN,LAX,SMF, PDX etc.
Again, not bashing you guys, really. But the simple fact is SWA taxis, on average, much faster than any other airline out there. It can lead to problems.

Dan,

Just a question. What is your definition of fast? Because our POI and our book doesn't think so.

 

[texman]

I think there are probably a lot of folks that would agree with Dan's assessment but prefer to stay out of the mix. We all get that Southwest is not Delta, United, etc. There is a lot to be said for standardization, especially on multi leg days. After riding on SWA jumpseats a lot over the last year I can say that I have not seen things done the same way twice. Its an observation, not an attack.

Could you elaborate what you saw different on each leg. Is it call outs or just plain flying technique.

 

[Dan Roman]

Dan,

Just a question. What is your definition of fast? Because our POI and our book doesn't think so.

Substantially faster than everyone else.

 

[texman]

Substantially faster than everyone else.

Fair enough. Riddle me this??? You fly a heavy that only does one leg to and from, but don't really get to see all our ops (700+ airplanes) operate daily. So percentage wise you are only using a few examples. I have seen regionals that taxi way faster than they should. Us not so much. I think our speeds are safe and are followed to the book.

 

[waveflyer]

Substantially faster than everyone else.

Seriously dead beaten horse my man-

What's got you obsessing-

You and I both have enough experience to know that a lot of guys are flat out not in a hurry bc they're paid by the minute-
I've done it. We've all done it- taxi time is the easiest way to add minutes that add up to a lot over a month.

But we don't get paid like you until we're 5 over block on schedules that are fairly tight and accurate.

Everyone else is padding their check.

And then the heavy factor. I've never flown a 330, but I'd probably taxi something with that mass a bit slower than a 73.

I know you fly to a lot of our west coast cities Dan. But look at those towns too. Long parallels in LAS, SMF, SAN

I suspect that you're simply upset that we prove you can guys taxi faster safely and that messes with your paid by the minute agenda- or you've actually come to believe that everyone is actually being safe instead of slow to make a point and using the safety card to justify it.

I work here and there's nothing culturally driving anyone to do anything but slow down if they need to.

I like that we do what we can safely do. It makes our company a lot of $$. But priority #1 is safety and it's driven home.

 

[K-Mart]

Fair enough. Riddle me this??? You fly a heavy that only does one leg to and from, but don't really get to see all our ops (700+ airplanes) operate daily. So percentage wise you are only using a few examples. I have seen regionals that taxi way faster than they should. Us not so much. I think our speeds are safe and are followed to the book.

Ha ha! He doesn't see Swa taxi much or he maybe he doesn't work at Hawaiian at all.

 

[Dan Roman]

Wave, I simply made the observation that SWA operates on the ground much faster than anyone else. I've seen a much greater percentage of SWA flights beat the crap out of their airplane than anyone else. As far as obsessing about it? Not at all, if you look, it's a bunch of SWA folks that have been keeping it going on here. It really isn't that big a deal.

 

[Dan Roman]

Ha ha! He doesn't see Swa taxi much or he maybe he doesn't work at Hawaiian at all.

K mart, you sound like a little kid with this comment, but I am flattered that you think so highly of Hawaiian that you consider it an insult to say " he isn't really a Hawaiian Air pilot!".

 

[K-Mart]

K mart, you sound like a little kid with this comment, but I am flattered that you think so highly of Hawaiian that you consider it an insult to say " he isn't really a Hawaiian Air pilot!".

You never know on this website who's pretending do we now? Just don't know why a A330 capt would be on Flightinfo talking about southwest taxi speeds and all else bout southwest, SLI ETC... There is a trend here with another poster. Sorry just seems strange.