SWA Attempts To Steal Routes - Denied

[SWA Bubba]

Prevent? HA. Laughable. United gave SWA 19 city pairs out of EWR with the merger cause they bitched so much to the DOT. And a clue for you here, just because you have an airline, it doesn't mean you get to fly where you want, when you want, even at others expense no matter how much you jump up and down and cry.

United "gave" SWA nothing. They sold us some EWR slots of their own volition--part of changing their business, I suppose--and in addition were forced to divest other slots as a condition of their merger with Continental (being a slot controlled airport, and all). The government then auctioned off the slots, and SWA bid the most. Sounds like normal business operations to me.

As far as "jumping un and down and crying," you need to look in a mirror. (or just reread the earlier HOU discussion regarding Southwest working its own business model at HOU, and Unical whining and crying and trying to interfere, so as to prevent actual competition.)

Bubba

 

[canyonblue]

And that finishes the argument. Can't compete in IAH, pull out, set up your own little isolated sand box in HOU so no one else can play with you, whine to the DOT cause another airline has 2 routes and presto, a route appears. Now go back again and tell how you compete?

Are you really this stupid?

 

[Flopgut]

And that finishes the argument. Can't compete in IAH, pull out, set up your own little isolated sand box in HOU so no one else can play with you, whine to the DOT cause another airline has 2 routes and presto, a route appears. Now go back again and tell how you compete?

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Are you really this stupid?

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He's absolutely right!! There's nothing "stupid" about it. Anyone paying close attention to SWA recent antics in Houston realizes this is not SWA's best work. In fact it's really sloppy. (Retreated from IAH, couldn't grow HOU meaningfully/organically, bailed on hurricane relief, begged an FIS be created for you, then only built 5 gates, BS promise to the City for $/jobs/cheap tickets. On top of all that, your have to try and steal a slot to Mexico City!!!) Looks like you're hitting the panic button guys.

You all better be ready to do more than simply think you're going to feed off the big $ flying out of IAH. Volaris, Viva Aerobus and Interjet have big plans. They're looking at you like you're looking at UAL. Youre more vulnerable to their competition than we are to yours. (You've been at HOU 40+ years and CAL still grew a great airline out of IAH) SWA is enormously higher cost, those airlines have a better airplane for the more $ routes, and they have nicer cabin crew.

 

[SWA Bubba]

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He's absolutely right!! There's nothing "stupid" about it. Anyone paying close attention to SWA recent antics in Houston realizes this is not SWA's best work. In fact it's really sloppy. (Retreated from IAH, couldn't grow HOU meaningfully/organically, bailed on hurricane relief, begged an FIS be created for you, then only built 5 gates, BS promise to the City for $/jobs/cheap tickets. On top of all that, your have to try and steal a slot to Mexico City!!!) Looks like you're hitting the panic button guys.

Wow. Literally the only thing that you ranted about that's true, is that we are building a 5-gate international terminal. Nothing else.

Panic button? Please.

You all better be ready to do more than simply think you're going to feed off the big $ flying out of IAH. Volaris, Viva Aerobus and Interjet have big plans. They're looking at you like you're looking at UAL. Youre more vulnerable to their competition than we are to yours. (You've been at HOU 40+ years and CAL still grew a great airline out of IAH) SWA is enormously higher cost, those airlines have a better airplane for the more $ routes, and they have nicer cabin crew.

Well, great then! As you say, United has nothing to fear from Southwest; we're just gonna dry up and blow away--any day now. So maybe you can stop trying to interfere with our business plans, as if you're afraid of the competition, then. You know? Run your own damn business, instead of trying to run ours, for a change. That would be refreshing.

Bubba

 

[redflyer65]

You all better be ready to do more than simply think you're going to feed off the big $ flying out of IAH. Volaris, Viva Aerobus and Interjet have big plans. They're looking at you like you're looking at UAL. Youre more vulnerable to their competition than we are to yours. (You've been at HOU 40+ years and CAL still grew a great airline out of IAH) SWA is enormously higher cost, those airlines have a better airplane for the more $ routes, and they have nicer cabin crew.

How out of touch can you and Ex driver be?

Ex doesn't understand the history of SW and it appears like you don't get it either Flop.

Let me help you out..

We fly the most domestic passengers by far. We have plenty...no wait, a ton of passengers that fly SW and they want to go to these near international destinations. Guess what? We'll take them.

This summer we'll fly 3,800 flights everyday. We are just connecting the dots between these 'new' cities and everywhere else we go everyday. We'll be able to connect these passengers to cities that would have cost them much more on the legacies.

Volaris and Interjet? Really? You think we should be worried about them? Your delusional ideas are showing thru yet again. Volaris goes to around 20 US cities. Interjet goes to 5. Yes, FIVE.

We are expensive? Again, your clueless. Our CASM on the 800 is around Spirit and Allegiant levels. Far, far lower than UAL.

Cabin crews are nicer? That's subjective but most of the US population Luv our crews. That attack is actually pretty comical coming from a guy that flies at UAL. Talk about cabin crews with disdain for the actual passengers that they carry. Wow.

Keep throwing that poo Flop. You're sooo far from getting anything legitimate to stick....because all you have is weak BS.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

We fly the most domestic passengers by far.

I keep seeing this and I'm not sure, but I don't think that it reflects the regional partners.

Meaning, yes we fly more domestic passengers than Delta... but I doubt we fly more than Delta + Delta Connection.

We fly more domestic passengers than American... but I doubt we fly more than American + American Eagle (envoy, republic, Skywest, mesa, etc...etc...)

Their networks have a larger presence because so much of their flying is outsourced. I don't have any data to back this up. Just guessing based on the size of Delta's operation in ATL or American's at DFW that we couldn't possibly be as big as they are.

 

[redflyer65]

Not sure about the Regionals either FA, but when I last looked we came close to flying as many passengers as Delta has total..including domestic and international.

In 2014 we carried 136 million passengers. Keeps increasing every year with more departures like this summer and the more seats (the -800).

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Systemwide domestic and international (incl. Connection) Delta carried 171,350,030 passengers in 2014.

I'm not sure what the breakdown is but obviously the large bump from regional feed is mostly domestic.

news.delta.com/2015-01-05-Delta-Reports-Financial-and-Operating-Performance-for-December-2014

 

[General Lee]

I keep seeing this and I'm not sure, but I don't think that it reflects the regional partners.

Meaning, yes we fly more domestic passengers than Delta... but I doubt we fly more than Delta + Delta Connection.

We fly more domestic passengers than American... but I doubt we fly more than American + American Eagle (envoy, republic, Skywest, mesa, etc...etc...)

Their networks have a larger presence because so much of their flying is outsourced. I don't have any data to back this up. Just guessing based on the size of Delta's operation in ATL or American's at DFW that we couldn't possibly be as big as they are.

Uhhhh, DL mainline has expanded their presence in ATL dramatically since the arrival of the 717s, and the parking of hundreds of 50 seat RJs. Terminal C used to be exclusively RJs, and now 717s fill the North side of the Concourse.

AA in DFW has received new A319s that have taken back previous mainline routes that were handed to Eagle CR7s after 9-11. Eagle (Envoy now) is in the process of parking tons of 37 and 50 seaters at this time.

The addition of more mainline planes and the parking of 50 seat RJs means less outsourcing. DL has hired over 1000 pilots in the last year because of expansion, not retirements.




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

Uhhhh, DL mainline has expanded their presence in ATL dramatically since the arrival of the 717s, and the parking of hundreds of 50 seat RJs. Terminal C used to be exclusively RJs, and now 717s fill the North side of the Concourse.

AA in DFW has received new A319s that have taken back previous mainline routes that were handed to Eagle CR7s after 9-11. Eagle (Envoy now) is in the process of parking tons of 37 and 50 seaters at this time.

The addition of more mainline planes and the parking of 50 seat RJs means less outsourcing. DL has hired over 1000 pilots in the last year because of expansion, not Retirements.

Soutwest Airlines yearly flight totals: 1,259,615.
American Airlines plus U.S.Arways: 1,101,935
Delta Air Lines yearly flight totals: 977,470.
Express Jet yearly flight totals: 724,525.
American Airlines yearly flight totals: 693,135.
United Airlines yearly flight totals: 656,270

As of 12/15/2014. These numbers reflect SWA at 3,451 flights per day which rises to 3,800 this summer.
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/...offer-at-least-3800-flights-next-summer.html/