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LiveFreeorDie
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Grow Up
Where were you all raised? In the Soviet Eastern Bloc? We live in the free market system. So SWA will do what the market bears. For a while the supply of pilots was down, so they couldn't require a type. Now the supply of pilots is way up so they can require it. And every airline would make its employees pay for their training if the market would bear it. Supply and demand, that is the deal unless out side influences -- govt, unioins, etc change the playing field.
And for the rest of you arguing out here-- you are a bunch of special olympians-- win or lose, YOU ARE STILL RETARDED!
No one reads this because they are interested in where you went to school or about your life. (You sound more like a Col or Gen than a LTC, the way you prattle on about yourself.)
If you realized how little (time spent) people think of you, you would stop worrying about it so much.
Where were you all raised? In the Soviet Eastern Bloc? We live in the free market system. So SWA will do what the market bears. For a while the supply of pilots was down, so they couldn't require a type. Now the supply of pilots is way up so they can require it. And every airline would make its employees pay for their training if the market would bear it. Supply and demand, that is the deal unless out side influences -- govt, unioins, etc change the playing field.
And for the rest of you arguing out here-- you are a bunch of special olympians-- win or lose, YOU ARE STILL RETARDED!
No one reads this because they are interested in where you went to school or about your life. (You sound more like a Col or Gen than a LTC, the way you prattle on about yourself.)
If you realized how little (time spent) people think of you, you would stop worrying about it so much.
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Give SW this much credit - the method they choose to weed out applicants, the type rating, is something that a person can go out and do something about; they can get the rating. Most other companies these days have resorted to a system where if you don't have an "in" who can recommend you, then you don't get an interview.
You can't do anything about where you're friends happened to get hired, but you can get the type!
You can't do anything about where you're friends happened to get hired, but you can get the type!
Time for some facts, not hearsay.
Mr. Neeleman, along with his very talented and capable managment team, put together a very tight business plan. Fueled by a tremendous amount of start-up capital, Mr. Neeleman was able to negotiate the very best A320 deal in existence. No U.S. airline gets new A320's cheaper than jetBlue.
Although there might be a glutton of old airliners sitting around right now, that doesn't mean there is a shortage of financial institutions and leasing companies wanting to buy new airplanes and establish reliable lease agreements. Which is exactly what Mr. Neeleman does. He sells the aircraft for a small profit, then turns around and leases it back at terms favorable to both jetBlue and the new aircraft owner.
When combined with the "spendable" IPO proceeds, jetBlue is on track to financing 56 more aircraft in the next 4 years. They will have 84 aircraft by the end of 2007 based on their current agreement with Airbus and their strategic plan. They will have 32 aircraft by the end of this year.
Part of the Airbus deal does involve maintenance and aircrew training. Airbus is "paying for" most of the required maintenance during the first three years on each aircraft. Airbus also provides the initial aircrew training. In its SEC report, jetBlue states very clearly that it expects maintenance and labor costs to rise steeply in the coming years.
Of course, when the aircraft start to age, jetBlue can choose selectively which leases to renew, while continuing to add new aircraft with the same initial good deals from Airbus.
Mr. Neeleman and company never deny they are following in SWA's footsteps. Their advantage is knowing which footsteps to avoid, and their revenues/profits are doing their talking.
Will jetBlue target SWA? IMO, initially they are too busy scooping up the business passengers who want some degree of class, but can't fly Delta, AA, or UAL business class anymore due to travel budget cuts. Combined with the large east coast market and Florida, they will continue to prosper without going head-to-head with us. They will grow their point-to-point system quickly, however, and eventually will compete with us to some extent.
Look for their second crew base in either Long Beach or Oakland during the first half of next year.
As most of you know, the domestic airline industry has been changing dramatically the last few years, and 9/11 only accelerated the inevitable. By the end of this decade, we will see a completely different domestic landscape and, fortunately, be one of those at the top.
The question is whether ALL of us will ever see wages and benefits commensurate with our corporate success.
My understanding is that they have always been paying for their aircraft. The sweetheart deal that they have involves the warranties on their aircraft and their maint department. It is a way to allow the Euros to backdoor a subsidy to the airline and allows a startup to have a better cash flow initially. What Airbus does is allow airlines to charge them retail reimbursement for parts and services for warranty work while incurring a wholesale cost. This makes the maint department an initial profit center instead of a direct cost department. The incentive for the manufacturer is that the program encourages continuous additions of new aircraft, as older ones roll off warranty. There are capital advantages for the manufacturer that are back loaded, including high financing charges and higher parts costs when the aircraft do come off warranty. The carriers who participate in such deals hope that the early help will give them the leg up to deal with the downsides that eventually come. Boeing so far hasn't wanted to play that game, but may have to to compete. Mesa Airlines did a similar deal with Raytheon with the 1900D's that was good for them while the pyramid was building but killed them at the end.
Interesting hourlong CNN deal on JetBlue today. I think that they are definitely doing a lot of good things and will be around for some time, although I remember when both Western Pacific and Valujet were just as popular with the media.
Neeleman is a smart guy. I remember a talk he gave in SLC in-between Morris and JetBlue when he talked to business people about how the way to save 10 grand a year in salary was to give them 2 grand a year in "free" day care.
I think that JB is going to be a bigger problem to the big guys than they will to us. I also think that JB definitely needed to break out of its JFK one trick pony, but I think that they will lose a war of attrition on the West Coast out of Long Beach.
Mr. Neeleman, along with his very talented and capable managment team, put together a very tight business plan. Fueled by a tremendous amount of start-up capital, Mr. Neeleman was able to negotiate the very best A320 deal in existence. No U.S. airline gets new A320's cheaper than jetBlue.
Although there might be a glutton of old airliners sitting around right now, that doesn't mean there is a shortage of financial institutions and leasing companies wanting to buy new airplanes and establish reliable lease agreements. Which is exactly what Mr. Neeleman does. He sells the aircraft for a small profit, then turns around and leases it back at terms favorable to both jetBlue and the new aircraft owner.
When combined with the "spendable" IPO proceeds, jetBlue is on track to financing 56 more aircraft in the next 4 years. They will have 84 aircraft by the end of 2007 based on their current agreement with Airbus and their strategic plan. They will have 32 aircraft by the end of this year.
Part of the Airbus deal does involve maintenance and aircrew training. Airbus is "paying for" most of the required maintenance during the first three years on each aircraft. Airbus also provides the initial aircrew training. In its SEC report, jetBlue states very clearly that it expects maintenance and labor costs to rise steeply in the coming years.
Of course, when the aircraft start to age, jetBlue can choose selectively which leases to renew, while continuing to add new aircraft with the same initial good deals from Airbus.
Mr. Neeleman and company never deny they are following in SWA's footsteps. Their advantage is knowing which footsteps to avoid, and their revenues/profits are doing their talking.
Will jetBlue target SWA? IMO, initially they are too busy scooping up the business passengers who want some degree of class, but can't fly Delta, AA, or UAL business class anymore due to travel budget cuts. Combined with the large east coast market and Florida, they will continue to prosper without going head-to-head with us. They will grow their point-to-point system quickly, however, and eventually will compete with us to some extent.
Look for their second crew base in either Long Beach or Oakland during the first half of next year.
As most of you know, the domestic airline industry has been changing dramatically the last few years, and 9/11 only accelerated the inevitable. By the end of this decade, we will see a completely different domestic landscape and, fortunately, be one of those at the top.
The question is whether ALL of us will ever see wages and benefits commensurate with our corporate success.
My understanding is that they have always been paying for their aircraft. The sweetheart deal that they have involves the warranties on their aircraft and their maint department. It is a way to allow the Euros to backdoor a subsidy to the airline and allows a startup to have a better cash flow initially. What Airbus does is allow airlines to charge them retail reimbursement for parts and services for warranty work while incurring a wholesale cost. This makes the maint department an initial profit center instead of a direct cost department. The incentive for the manufacturer is that the program encourages continuous additions of new aircraft, as older ones roll off warranty. There are capital advantages for the manufacturer that are back loaded, including high financing charges and higher parts costs when the aircraft do come off warranty. The carriers who participate in such deals hope that the early help will give them the leg up to deal with the downsides that eventually come. Boeing so far hasn't wanted to play that game, but may have to to compete. Mesa Airlines did a similar deal with Raytheon with the 1900D's that was good for them while the pyramid was building but killed them at the end.
Interesting hourlong CNN deal on JetBlue today. I think that they are definitely doing a lot of good things and will be around for some time, although I remember when both Western Pacific and Valujet were just as popular with the media.
Neeleman is a smart guy. I remember a talk he gave in SLC in-between Morris and JetBlue when he talked to business people about how the way to save 10 grand a year in salary was to give them 2 grand a year in "free" day care.
I think that JB is going to be a bigger problem to the big guys than they will to us. I also think that JB definitely needed to break out of its JFK one trick pony, but I think that they will lose a war of attrition on the West Coast out of Long Beach.
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swaforme,
Excellent post!! One that is very informative and not full of emotion as many in this topic have been. Some new twists on things in there that I had not heard before but all sound completely logical and very close to what I had heard from other sources. Wish I could have caught the CNN program. Again, thanks for the refreshing bit of sanity!!
Excellent post!! One that is very informative and not full of emotion as many in this topic have been. Some new twists on things in there that I had not heard before but all sound completely logical and very close to what I had heard from other sources. Wish I could have caught the CNN program. Again, thanks for the refreshing bit of sanity!!
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Race Pilot said:
Really?
The Washington Post article comparing jetBlue and United on the IAD-OAK route compared costs and stated the jetBlue Captain was making $7,500 a month. SWA F/O's make this amount. What are jetBlues CA rates? As far as the type, some airlines require a commercial, some an ATP, SWA requires a 737 Type as their minimum. It does not do anything for training, I still had to go through initial, I'll still have to go through upgrade. The minimum to work at SWA is a 737 type rating. I know pilots here who had theirs from Vanguard, West Pac, and even the military. I am not in favor of LOWERING minimums in any way. 737 type, 1000 PIC turbine, the HIGHEST minimums in the industry. By the way, in the Air Force was your call sign "ACE" with two s's
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canyon,
I won't dignify your last line with a response since that's obviously where your head is but if you are serious about wanting to know JB's pay rates, here they are:
Year 1 FO: $50.96/hr with 70 hr guarantee, $76.44/hr. for everything over 70 hours. 80 hour month = $4331.60
Year 1 CA: $110.49/hr <70, $165.74/hr >70. 80 hr month = $ 9391.70 (note: CA upgrade currently running ten months)
Year 2 CA: $113.00/hr <70, $169.50/hr >70. 80 hr month = $ 9605.00
Year 3: 80 hr month is approx $9860
Year 4: $10,030
I don't know where the Post got their info as even a 1st year Captain at guarantee is making over $7700/month. Flying only guarantee is pretty rare at JB from what I hear. But of course the press usually doesn't do much research on these things anyway.
I'll have to admit, I didn't realize a SWA FO makes $7500/month. Is this first year? What are upgrades running there now and what are the Captain rates? If you would like to keep this on a professional level and respond I and many others would appreciate it.
I won't dignify your last line with a response since that's obviously where your head is but if you are serious about wanting to know JB's pay rates, here they are:
Year 1 FO: $50.96/hr with 70 hr guarantee, $76.44/hr. for everything over 70 hours. 80 hour month = $4331.60
Year 1 CA: $110.49/hr <70, $165.74/hr >70. 80 hr month = $ 9391.70 (note: CA upgrade currently running ten months)
Year 2 CA: $113.00/hr <70, $169.50/hr >70. 80 hr month = $ 9605.00
Year 3: 80 hr month is approx $9860
Year 4: $10,030
I don't know where the Post got their info as even a 1st year Captain at guarantee is making over $7700/month. Flying only guarantee is pretty rare at JB from what I hear. But of course the press usually doesn't do much research on these things anyway.
I'll have to admit, I didn't realize a SWA FO makes $7500/month. Is this first year? What are upgrades running there now and what are the Captain rates? If you would like to keep this on a professional level and respond I and many others would appreciate it.
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I won't dig out my pay rate table (it can be searched on this forum), but I guarantee that you would have to be at least a 3rd year FO, probably working A LOT to make $7500 a month here at SWA. If someone would correct me, I would be happy about it.
As for the type rating and "pay for training" talk: Eat my dust - it was BY FAR the best INVESTMENT I ever made.
In the entire history of SWA, they have never received one single dime of anyones money for training. They have their specific employment requirements and other airlines have theirs (ever heard of a requirement to have a FE Written?)
JB is a fine company (I hear) and I wish them luck. They will probably need it (no slam intended).
As for the type rating and "pay for training" talk: Eat my dust - it was BY FAR the best INVESTMENT I ever made.
In the entire history of SWA, they have never received one single dime of anyones money for training. They have their specific employment requirements and other airlines have theirs (ever heard of a requirement to have a FE Written?)
JB is a fine company (I hear) and I wish them luck. They will probably need it (no slam intended).
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xXpress1 - No, I don't think ATA requires a four year degree. And I don't even know the percentage of those at ATA who have it although in today's market I doubt there are many airlines hiring people who do not have one. I guess I just got roped in by SWA Guy's post about most majors requiring one. It's true that most actually do NOT require a degree but prefer it. Obviously, I really don't think a college degree in Political Science, for instance, means that you are a better pilot than someone without a degree. My guess is that the majors look at this thinking that maybe you are more likely to do well in their training program, at least the book part of it, if you have been through four years of college. Probably also why they like to hire people that have had prior Part 121 training or military training which is very similar. Just a guess, and I'm not sure if I buy it, but I guess they have figures to back it up.
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Never applied at any of them, but JB seems more attractive. Better looking planes, uniforms and most important cheaper to get in.....................I did think that Southwest was finally becoming a real proffesional airline, but their going back to PFT. Back to the 60's!!( SW, move forward not backwards).
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Hmmmmm
Last I recall, when I went to training at SWA, they paid ME.
Did your airline pay for your training up to ATP? Cuz, last time I checked - most airlines require that too.
Thank God I was smart enough to invest in that type rating.
You're right though, better looking planes and uniforms are probably the best measure of a great airline. Not market cap, or stock performance or continued growth and steady profitability for 30 years.
JB and SW are both great airlines, but IMHO - I'd go with the proven track record.
Last I recall, when I went to training at SWA, they paid ME.
Did your airline pay for your training up to ATP? Cuz, last time I checked - most airlines require that too.
Thank God I was smart enough to invest in that type rating.
You're right though, better looking planes and uniforms are probably the best measure of a great airline. Not market cap, or stock performance or continued growth and steady profitability for 30 years.
JB and SW are both great airlines, but IMHO - I'd go with the proven track record.
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Way more experience than flying your little metroliner, but that's not the point. Anyways, both of you, get a life and stop trying to justify Southwest's cost cutting tactics. Southwest is a customer first airline, pilot's get this:
*Underpaid ( unless you work that overtime )
*4-8 landings a day (sometimes even 9)
*15-20 min turns
*Minus $7,000 (yes, in addition to all we had to spend already)
*Too many 4 day trips
These things are just unheard off at the airline I work for and this being a "third world country".
*Underpaid ( unless you work that overtime )
*4-8 landings a day (sometimes even 9)
*15-20 min turns
*Minus $7,000 (yes, in addition to all we had to spend already)
*Too many 4 day trips
These things are just unheard off at the airline I work for and this being a "third world country".
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Dude, I have to get back to the Steelers game. But I can't stop laughing at your postings, you are quite a character, specially how you use the word moron..............That's got to be your favorite word. Anyways, I fly an A-320 at Mexicana a great company, with a great UNION . I was captain at commuter like yours for 4 years. No need for southwest or JB. All of my opinions are based mostly on what I hear about the two companies. Southwest is a great numbers airline with no competition at this time , problably the reason why everybody wants to go to Southwest NOW.
Now if people with your attitude are in SW at this time, than SW is not hiring what they so often preach on hiring. See ya!
Now if people with your attitude are in SW at this time, than SW is not hiring what they so often preach on hiring. See ya!
Oh, I forgot! All the great jobs with the best unions are in Mexico.
So what are the requirements and pay?
I want to send my resume as soon as i'm done sending them to all the great jobs in Africa.
Race pilot, 4 things?
1. i have never heard of a Lt. Col who had the option to stay in after being bypassed.
2. you forgot space shuttle driver on you unwanted life history.
3. People who are on this board work for JB. So don't act like a jacka$$.
4. What the hell is Roush Air?
So what are the requirements and pay?
I want to send my resume as soon as i'm done sending them to all the great jobs in Africa.
Race pilot, 4 things?
1. i have never heard of a Lt. Col who had the option to stay in after being bypassed.
2. you forgot space shuttle driver on you unwanted life history.
3. People who are on this board work for JB. So don't act like a jacka$$.
4. What the hell is Roush Air?
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Radiofly er,
This place sucks (SWA) your right. Can you get me on with Mexicana? They (SWA) just made me fly for three days straight! I even had two landings yesterday (well actually one was mine). I thought that was too much work for my under paid job.
I hate the fact that they are going to give me a profit sharing check. That sucks, but the worst thing is all these stock options that they are sticking me with. Oh, the 18 days I have off this month suck too. They expect me to upgrade in another 3 years - I want industry standard! I want to wait my 10-15 years!!!!
This place sucks (SWA) your right. Can you get me on with Mexicana? They (SWA) just made me fly for three days straight! I even had two landings yesterday (well actually one was mine). I thought that was too much work for my under paid job.
I hate the fact that they are going to give me a profit sharing check. That sucks, but the worst thing is all these stock options that they are sticking me with. Oh, the 18 days I have off this month suck too. They expect me to upgrade in another 3 years - I want industry standard! I want to wait my 10-15 years!!!!
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Sounds like you had a very good day, nevertheless, there are many airlines that offer their pilots if not better benefits, similar benefits around the world. The reason I answer to SW is because I have some friends there and I've heard stories and too much bragging about it by others. Now, one reading this, will naturally compare this to his or her company. I am not stating that we have the only union just the fact that many of the things SW allows its's pilots our union does'nt. We do not have more than 12 hr duty days, no 4th,5th,6th landing withouth getting paid $36.00 for every landing after the 4th. Per Deim is tax free and given in cash before each flight. $12.00 breakfast $23.00 lunch $32.00 dinner ( add that up to your salary and get average $4,200.00 mo first year, take home) No plane switching with a time span greater than an hour and a half. No sitting in reserve your first, second year. First year start on a 8 day "on" 7 "off" system. During those eight, usually fly 5-6. First year 30 day paid vacation, 45 days after your 3rd year. Get company incentives every December of every year, last year got $8,327.00, so in Dec you make average $12,000.00(salary+co.incentive). (Guys averge on retirement around a mil plus what they have saved). This year I was getting 17 days off a month. Theres a couple of more .................anyways someone asked. Our lifestyle is just like many................finish a flight, commute to Cancun, get on my Audi TT and go see my kids. Nuff said guys.
"Flying is all tha same at FL370, if you can get up there."
"Flying is all tha same at FL370, if you can get up there."
New Guy Thoughts,
Just read about this site in PPRUNE and thought I might check it out. I am sad to see that there are so many pilots talking bad about any aviation job.
I have been in the airline business for a while and am glad just to be working. Over the past few decades I realized there is an airline to fit most every personality. To consider one over the other is a matter of personal choice.
Southwest is a great airline and it is difficult to argue with success. One reason for their requirement for a type rating is a reduction in insurance by their carrier. Two qualified captains aboard the aircraft results in a reduction in their premium. To pass the expense onto potential prospective employees makes good management sense.
Jet Blue is a great Airline and I am confident will be very successful in the future. They are paying for their aircraft and worked the normal deal with Airbus with regards to maintenance and training. Selecting the Airbus for an upcoming Airline was a great move on management’s part.
To say one Airline is superior to another, especially for those not working at either one, is not a wise practice. I had the opportunity to jump off-line with Alaska Airlines yesterday. After introducing myself to the Captain, he responded that he was more than glad to offer a fellow pilot a ride. Before I could thank him, he thanked me, and my Airline for “saving his butt a number of times” and wished me luck.
Management might be involved in competition but I, and a number of pilots from a variety of Airlines, are not. We are glad for each other’s success and most cockpit discussions center around the poor souls furloughed out there, and the hope that all are working soon.
If a pilot is willing to pay for a type rating to get the job he or she wants and it works to the Airline and their mutual benefit…..great. If an upcoming Airline requires a certain amount of experience because of short upgrade time, what’s wrong with that?
If you have a chance, you might consider reading Monday’s Wall Street Journal. There are a number of articles reflecting the attitude towards current paradigms in the aviation community with respect to pay and benefits. I don’t think anyone can honestly predict what “industry average pay and benefits” will be in the next five years. Something to think about. Some us are old enough to remember the Eastern / Pan Am when everyone was comparing themselves to these two giants. Interesting how short memories can be.
Just read about this site in PPRUNE and thought I might check it out. I am sad to see that there are so many pilots talking bad about any aviation job.
I have been in the airline business for a while and am glad just to be working. Over the past few decades I realized there is an airline to fit most every personality. To consider one over the other is a matter of personal choice.
Southwest is a great airline and it is difficult to argue with success. One reason for their requirement for a type rating is a reduction in insurance by their carrier. Two qualified captains aboard the aircraft results in a reduction in their premium. To pass the expense onto potential prospective employees makes good management sense.
Jet Blue is a great Airline and I am confident will be very successful in the future. They are paying for their aircraft and worked the normal deal with Airbus with regards to maintenance and training. Selecting the Airbus for an upcoming Airline was a great move on management’s part.
To say one Airline is superior to another, especially for those not working at either one, is not a wise practice. I had the opportunity to jump off-line with Alaska Airlines yesterday. After introducing myself to the Captain, he responded that he was more than glad to offer a fellow pilot a ride. Before I could thank him, he thanked me, and my Airline for “saving his butt a number of times” and wished me luck.
Management might be involved in competition but I, and a number of pilots from a variety of Airlines, are not. We are glad for each other’s success and most cockpit discussions center around the poor souls furloughed out there, and the hope that all are working soon.
If a pilot is willing to pay for a type rating to get the job he or she wants and it works to the Airline and their mutual benefit…..great. If an upcoming Airline requires a certain amount of experience because of short upgrade time, what’s wrong with that?
If you have a chance, you might consider reading Monday’s Wall Street Journal. There are a number of articles reflecting the attitude towards current paradigms in the aviation community with respect to pay and benefits. I don’t think anyone can honestly predict what “industry average pay and benefits” will be in the next five years. Something to think about. Some us are old enough to remember the Eastern / Pan Am when everyone was comparing themselves to these two giants. Interesting how short memories can be.
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RADIOFLY ER
WOW, you ARE a lucky guy! You DO have a great union. New airplanes, great hours, almost too good to believe in todays economy. The US economy that is.
I was just wondering, how big is your company? How long have they been in business? Any profit info available? What is bottled water going for?
I wish you continued success at your current employer.
I;ll take my chances up here in the good old USA. You can even drink the water................right out of the tap!
WOW, you ARE a lucky guy! You DO have a great union. New airplanes, great hours, almost too good to believe in todays economy. The US economy that is.
I was just wondering, how big is your company? How long have they been in business? Any profit info available? What is bottled water going for?
I wish you continued success at your current employer.
I;ll take my chances up here in the good old USA. You can even drink the water................right out of the tap!
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That water thing shows just how ignorant you are, but if thats going to be your question Ill answer it it's going for about 50 cents (12oz bottle). About a dollar cheaper than any 7 eleven, but, then again almost any commodity is at a lower price. Which makes that paycheck last even a bit longer and this is Cancun.
Anyways guy, mexicana has been around for about 25 years, it has a fleet of F100's B727's A-320's and 757's which I'm looking forward to flying in a year. One final thing there are 120 pilots that belong to our union, not from Mexicana but two other National airlines that are on furlough. These pilots have been out for 9 months allready. The only difference is that these pilots are getting paid by the union $2,200 a month, until they come back, they have kept all benefits from their airlines which unclude seniority,medical, and travel benefits(except pay).
No comparison, but a little insight on pilots around the world.
Anyways guy, mexicana has been around for about 25 years, it has a fleet of F100's B727's A-320's and 757's which I'm looking forward to flying in a year. One final thing there are 120 pilots that belong to our union, not from Mexicana but two other National airlines that are on furlough. These pilots have been out for 9 months allready. The only difference is that these pilots are getting paid by the union $2,200 a month, until they come back, they have kept all benefits from their airlines which unclude seniority,medical, and travel benefits(except pay).
No comparison, but a little insight on pilots around the world.
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Sounds like the needs of the few...
That is a great deal to get paid to not work. How on Earth do they swing that?
Either the company is mortgaging (sp?) its future or it is being proped up by the govt their.
I have a friend who used to brag to me about all the ways his union at American paid him not to work. Unfortunately all it got him was furloughed and back in the military. Nothing in life is free. Someone is bearing the cost of those furloughees.
Personnally I wish you and your company well. I also hope they all get back to flying too. But I don't see how those kind of work rules will work to everyones benefit.
That is a great deal to get paid to not work. How on Earth do they swing that?
Either the company is mortgaging (sp?) its future or it is being proped up by the govt their.
I have a friend who used to brag to me about all the ways his union at American paid him not to work. Unfortunately all it got him was furloughed and back in the military. Nothing in life is free. Someone is bearing the cost of those furloughees.
Personnally I wish you and your company well. I also hope they all get back to flying too. But I don't see how those kind of work rules will work to everyones benefit.
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