SWA and SWAPA Negotiating -800s

[Skybus]

My friend. You accept no pay raise now for the 800 and the company will know that we bend over backwards and are a bunch if push overs. The 800 has the potential for 30% more revenue and you want none of it. That to me is nonsense.


You are right. I agree that the CSA's, rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers, Oh ya and the Lav dumpers also deserve a nice slice of that "revenue" pie. After all they will have 3 lavs to dump instead of 2, more bags, pax to check in, trash to pick up.....

Oh wait a minute this only applies to us, right? After all it is us that makes this thing work. "Their" job is only worth so much, right? It is only US that is "reasonable" for all that extra revenue.

Bus

 

[GuppyWN]

This is a good ole public discussion. How about we take it to the SWAPA forum or Pprune.

Gup

 

[fracpt]

same pay for any 737 and a long blistful career at SWA is what I wish for as a 4th yr fo... good luck to us all in aviation I have 30 more years and just pray I keep that career healthy and at the same airline

 

[ivauir]

You are right. I agree that the CSA's, rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers, Oh ya and the Lav dumpers also deserve a nice slice of that "revenue" pie. After all they will have 3 lavs to dump instead of 2, more bags, pax to check in, trash to pick up.....

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

But not for pilots. 4 800s can replace 5 300s. We better get $$$ because lord knows any fleet guarantee won't be worth the paper it is written on.

We are our own worst enemy.

 

[Kharma Police]

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

But not for pilots. 4 800s can replace 5 300s. We better get $$$ because lord knows any fleet guarantee won't be worth the paper it is written on.

We are our own worst enemy.

Hellz Bellz!!!, I was starting to worry with all the Kool-Aid and refugees from failed airlines comments I've read. Thank Gawd somebody at SWA gets it!

 

[Flyarcticcat]

A healthy raise from a healthy company for flying more seats. That is the easy part. The hard part is getting the company to agree to not down size the fleet which equals no growth no upgrade and you guest it 20 year fo's with the potential to have guys on the street.

Don't forget we are in no hurry. Lets see what raise we get after this month is over. Then we can build the 800 raise on top of our current raise. You only get what you bargain for and that is why you pay your SWAPA dues each month with your hard earned money.

 

[SKC]

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

Get a raise, or just have additions to the work force? Big difference.

 

[Mickey D]

I couldn't agree more. More money would be nice, but it would be meaningless if it required more years of zero growth on the seniority list. There are several of us commuting cross country to Oakland from East coast bases for the past 2 1/2 years who would love to have these commutes come to an end when growth resumes and we get the current poolies on the property. I sure don't want this commute to end due to the fact that the fleet could potentially shrink, only to find that we are overstaffed.

A healthy raise from a healthy company for flying more seats. That is the easy part. The hard part is getting the company to agree to not down size the fleet which equals no growth no upgrade and you guest it 20 year fo's with the potential to have guys on the street.

Don't forget we are in no hurry. Lets see what raise we get after this month is over. Then we can build the 800 raise on top of our current raise. You only get what you bargain for and that is why you pay your SWAPA dues each month with your hard earned money.

 

[Whataburger]

Thanks for the voice of reason here. Lets not follow the ALPA "formula" to BK.

Bus

If we follow the alpo forumla, can we at least get a cool sticker? Or something.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

If we follow the alpo forumla, can we at least get a cool sticker? Or something.

I'll give you my "The Best Pilot's deserve the Best Contract" sticker, See how that worked out for us?

I can also throw in a few ALPA stickers as well!

KBB

 

[Whataburger]

Alaska Airlines - Great airline, profitable, happy employees, same pay for all 737s.

Delta Airlines - Decade of losses, bankruptcy. More pay for same type.

 

[Whataburger]

I'll give you my "The Best Pilot's deserve the Best Contract" sticker, See how that worked out for us?

I can also throw in a few ALPA stickers as well!

KBB

What's your opinion of Bulleit?

 

[Full of LUV]

Wow...

Alaska Airlines - Great airline, profitable, happy employees, same pay for all 737s.

Delta Airlines - Decade of losses, bankruptcy. More pay for same type.

You really believe that is an apples to apples comparison? If you don't want different pay for different A/C, why not just negotiate an incremental pay increase for all as the 800's replace the smaller planes? Something that is spread around all the pilots that represents the additional revenue that means increased productivity.
Luv

 

[wscrj]

Alaska Airlines - Great airline, profitable, happy employees, same pay for all 737s.

Delta Airlines - Decade of losses, bankruptcy. More pay for same type.

What on earth gave you the impression that Alaska pilots, or employees for that matter, are happy?

Furloughs on the street
Staffing cut to the bone marrow
Nearly all trades denied
Sick use hate-o-grams from Company & CP's office
Management types actually posting "look for a new career" if we don't like the way things are.

Oh yeah, and 80 some over 60 types with 93 guys on the street.

Who exactly did you speak with when you formulated the opinion that we are happy?

 

[GuppyWN]

The cappy and the FO on the SEA/OAK flight last week seemed happy. All they could talk about was the extra flying they were doing!

Gup