SWA and SWAPA Negotiating -800s

[FlyinGuy]

Never forget everything is negotiated. If SWAPA does not get or try to get more pay, they need to negotiate something. That is how the game is played.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Flight attendants get a 1% raise plus a profitability based raise 1 year later that could be an additional 2%. Should the pilots be offered a raise? Based on the FA deal, yes.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Here's to hoping that we get paid the same. Last time I checked CAL has been bankrupt and has had furloughees. Great example!!

We already get paid enough to fly a guppy around. I hope we do not do the UAL, "Max Pay til the Last Day," bit. How, 'bout, "Pretty damn good pay til you have to retire."

Management in training, or just drinking too much kool aid?

Seems some folks are forgetting how/why SWA has been so sucessful.

PFT has surely kept training costs down.

 

[waveflyer]

I rest my case!

I think that's a good idea, 'resting your case'- and I don't say that in an inciteful way- but like whataburger, I've been at multiple airlines- and keeping your perspective is one of the keys to retiring happy....which ought to be the goal-

 

[ivauir]

Lol!!!

 

[johnsonrod]

Management in training, or just drinking too much kool aid?


PFT has surely kept training costs down.

You got that right!

 

[Whataburger]

Management in training, or just drinking too much kool aid?


PFT has surely kept training costs down.

Mgmt in training. LOL!!! That implies a very high level of give-a-damn combined with perfecting the a$$-kiss. Also it is required to be an F-16 ring knocker from the zoo to be mgmt. I am none of the above. I am a line dog that appreciates being employed at one of the best companies in America that enjoys tons of days off. Even if it means flying 8 legs a day.

Too much cool aid? Nope. Too much common sense - Guilty.

PFT has definetly kept training costs down.

 

[iflyhigh72]

I think that's a good idea, 'resting your case'- and I don't say that in an inciteful way- but like whataburger, I've been at multiple airlines- and keeping your perspective is one of the keys to retiring happy....which ought to be the goal-

My friend. You accept no pay raise now for the 800 and the company will know that we bend over backwards and are a bunch if push overs. The 800 has the potential for 30% more revenue and you want none of it. That to me is nonsense.

If in the future If we do get 787's, the company will look back at the collective folding of the pilot group and offer you peanuts. If nothing but for the sake of strong cohesive unit, we must demand a pay raise on this airplane.

Management is management. Their concern is ultimately the stock holder, not you or I. Cave I'm now and we'll go back to being paid less than everyone else once they come back up and believe me they will.

 

[waveflyer]

Iflyhigh72- that's a reasonable response- I get your argument and at every other airline I'd take that stance- I am saying two things- 1) same pay for the individuals so we don't fracture the group, esp if we get a different type. If we get more then blend it for everyone and not just those who fly the a/c & 2) debate getting more for the -800- it begs the question: are you willing to take less money flying the -500 now? Are you willing to take less for the C1000 or E-195 if we went that route?

It's not a ridiculous debate, I just want everyone to get past the first knee jerk reaction and see how every scenario could play out

 

[Skybus]

Thanks for the voice of reason here. Lets not follow the ALPA "formula" to BK.

Bus

 

[Skybus]

My friend. You accept no pay raise now for the 800 and the company will know that we bend over backwards and are a bunch if push overs. The 800 has the potential for 30% more revenue and you want none of it. That to me is nonsense.


You are right. I agree that the CSA's, rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers, Oh ya and the Lav dumpers also deserve a nice slice of that "revenue" pie. After all they will have 3 lavs to dump instead of 2, more bags, pax to check in, trash to pick up.....

Oh wait a minute this only applies to us, right? After all it is us that makes this thing work. "Their" job is only worth so much, right? It is only US that is "reasonable" for all that extra revenue.

Bus

 

[GuppyWN]

This is a good ole public discussion. How about we take it to the SWAPA forum or Pprune.

Gup

 

[fracpt]

same pay for any 737 and a long blistful career at SWA is what I wish for as a 4th yr fo... good luck to us all in aviation I have 30 more years and just pray I keep that career healthy and at the same airline

 

[ivauir]

You are right. I agree that the CSA's, rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers, Oh ya and the Lav dumpers also deserve a nice slice of that "revenue" pie. After all they will have 3 lavs to dump instead of 2, more bags, pax to check in, trash to pick up.....

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

But not for pilots. 4 800s can replace 5 300s. We better get $$$ because lord knows any fleet guarantee won't be worth the paper it is written on.

We are our own worst enemy.

 

[Kharma Police]

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

But not for pilots. 4 800s can replace 5 300s. We better get $$$ because lord knows any fleet guarantee won't be worth the paper it is written on.

We are our own worst enemy.

Hellz Bellz!!!, I was starting to worry with all the Kool-Aid and refugees from failed airlines comments I've read. Thank Gawd somebody at SWA gets it!

 

[Flyarcticcat]

A healthy raise from a healthy company for flying more seats. That is the easy part. The hard part is getting the company to agree to not down size the fleet which equals no growth no upgrade and you guest it 20 year fo's with the potential to have guys on the street.

Don't forget we are in no hurry. Lets see what raise we get after this month is over. Then we can build the 800 raise on top of our current raise. You only get what you bargain for and that is why you pay your SWAPA dues each month with your hard earned money.

 

[SKC]

Bus,

The CSA's rampers, res agents, cleaners, wheel chair pushers and lav dumpers all get a raise the second the first 800, shows up ... because the airplane will require more positions.

Get a raise, or just have additions to the work force? Big difference.

 

[Mickey D]

I couldn't agree more. More money would be nice, but it would be meaningless if it required more years of zero growth on the seniority list. There are several of us commuting cross country to Oakland from East coast bases for the past 2 1/2 years who would love to have these commutes come to an end when growth resumes and we get the current poolies on the property. I sure don't want this commute to end due to the fact that the fleet could potentially shrink, only to find that we are overstaffed.

A healthy raise from a healthy company for flying more seats. That is the easy part. The hard part is getting the company to agree to not down size the fleet which equals no growth no upgrade and you guest it 20 year fo's with the potential to have guys on the street.

Don't forget we are in no hurry. Lets see what raise we get after this month is over. Then we can build the 800 raise on top of our current raise. You only get what you bargain for and that is why you pay your SWAPA dues each month with your hard earned money.

 

[Whataburger]

Thanks for the voice of reason here. Lets not follow the ALPA "formula" to BK.

Bus

If we follow the alpo forumla, can we at least get a cool sticker? Or something.

 

[Ky.BrownBourbn]

If we follow the alpo forumla, can we at least get a cool sticker? Or something.

I'll give you my "The Best Pilot's deserve the Best Contract" sticker, See how that worked out for us?

I can also throw in a few ALPA stickers as well!

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