GhettoBeechjet
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The forums in the last few days have hit a new low. I think its fair to say that we are all frustrated with the situation but there is no need to resort to personal attacks. The situation as I see it is that we are at an impasse.
AAI ALPA says they want something better than the now dead proposal.
SWAPA says they will not accept any negotiated agreement that harms the SWAPA pilots career paths. They also say the now dead agreement was as far as they can go and meet that endcap.
This is a classic impasse. Both sides are at or beyond their last negoitiating point. The process agreement lays out what will happen next. Both sides will continue to follow that agreement. The officials on both sides have committed to that and to live with the outcome of an arbitrated list if an agreement can't be reached.
SWA desires a negotiated agreement and labor peace. What measures they are willing to take to achieve that very few know. I would HIGHLY doubt any of those people read, post on, or have even heard of Flightinfo.
I believe that there are 5 possible outcomes to this stalemate. 4 out of 5 are decided by non pilots and 4 out of 5 involve a loss to someone.
1. Miracle happens and an agreement that everyone can live with is found
2. AAI pilots become concerned that Gary is serious when he talks about non integration and accept something like SL9 without the sweetners. AAI pilots lose.
3. Arbitrated list more favorable to AAI than SL9. SWAPA pilots lose.
4. Arbitrated list that looks a lot like SL9 without the sweetners. AAI pilots lose.
5. Gary for whatever reason decides to fragment the AAI operation. Many AAI employees lose.
Odds are the outcome is going to be in the hands of the CEO or the arbitrators. Odds are someone loses. The only question is who and how much.
It sucks that it has come to this. I hope that no one on either side would gain pleasure from someone elses misfortune. There is nothing left to discuss here unless an agreement is reached. The personal attacks and rhetoric on here don't change the above facts or anyones mind. It just adds stress to peoples lives and reflects poorly on us. Given that I think we should all give this a rest and hope for the best for all involved.
Respectfully,
GhettoBeechjet
AAI ALPA says they want something better than the now dead proposal.
SWAPA says they will not accept any negotiated agreement that harms the SWAPA pilots career paths. They also say the now dead agreement was as far as they can go and meet that endcap.
This is a classic impasse. Both sides are at or beyond their last negoitiating point. The process agreement lays out what will happen next. Both sides will continue to follow that agreement. The officials on both sides have committed to that and to live with the outcome of an arbitrated list if an agreement can't be reached.
SWA desires a negotiated agreement and labor peace. What measures they are willing to take to achieve that very few know. I would HIGHLY doubt any of those people read, post on, or have even heard of Flightinfo.
I believe that there are 5 possible outcomes to this stalemate. 4 out of 5 are decided by non pilots and 4 out of 5 involve a loss to someone.
1. Miracle happens and an agreement that everyone can live with is found
2. AAI pilots become concerned that Gary is serious when he talks about non integration and accept something like SL9 without the sweetners. AAI pilots lose.
3. Arbitrated list more favorable to AAI than SL9. SWAPA pilots lose.
4. Arbitrated list that looks a lot like SL9 without the sweetners. AAI pilots lose.
5. Gary for whatever reason decides to fragment the AAI operation. Many AAI employees lose.
Odds are the outcome is going to be in the hands of the CEO or the arbitrators. Odds are someone loses. The only question is who and how much.
It sucks that it has come to this. I hope that no one on either side would gain pleasure from someone elses misfortune. There is nothing left to discuss here unless an agreement is reached. The personal attacks and rhetoric on here don't change the above facts or anyones mind. It just adds stress to peoples lives and reflects poorly on us. Given that I think we should all give this a rest and hope for the best for all involved.
Respectfully,
GhettoBeechjet
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