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shootr said:
What'd you have for breakfast, OYS? I had a banana and some turkey.
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See and avoid, a classic. Don't worry OYS, they don't want to address the arbitration issue. It will be fun to watch how this all pans out. Do you really eat bananas and turkey for breakfast? When do you do that? By 7am you already have flown 2 legs between Harlingen and Austin, and onto El Paso. Good for you!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
redflyer65 said:
That's a easy one... Gary saw and very easy opportunity to move into Atlanta and get rid of competitor in one swift move. (great business move)

Now, what does the Airtran contract bring to the SW pilots, versus what do the Airtran pilots expect to gain? Goes back to why on group is wearing lanyards and the others are not.

The differences between the two are MORE than night and day.

RF
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That was a good move. And it was also good for Gary to constantly state in the press that it was a merger. Throw in some arbitration, and the best move of them all will be done by the Airtran NC deciding binding arbitration is best for their group. That will make the cockpit chatter a slightly higher pitch. (all in the name of fairness)


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
I saw the first "(o)No Love" sticker yesterday at BWI. Great sticker and it's so true! Good luck to everyone; we're going to need it.
 
redflyer65 said:
Now, what does the Airtran contract bring to the SW pilots, versus what do the Airtran pilots expect to gain? Goes back to why on group is wearing lanyards and the others are not.

The differences between the two are MORE than night and day.

RF
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Contracts don't matter to arbitrators with SLI. Put the pipe down, and read the law.

As for the lanyards that has more to do with who thinks they are about to get screwed. Really they are not. It is just their perspective because they have been living in a bubble outside reality for about a decade now. But hey! So did Pan AM, Braniff, USAir, United and Delta. You guys have been running around more concerned about 30 years from now then 5 years from now. Sorry you had to wake up from that dream. Guess you guys are acting like everybody else would. True colors. That is ok. We are not tested when things are easy. Only when times are tough.

Starting to sound like the only Luv the last few years is money bought.

If I were u guys I would be more worried about a paycut the next 5 years then the SLI.
 
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MILPILOT17 said:
I saw the first "(o)No Love" sticker yesterday at BWI. Great sticker and it's so true! Good luck to everyone; we're going to need it.
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You guys are so ALPA and you don't even know it. Next, maybe a giant rat? Where is the "No Love" coming from? How are you guys receiving "No Love?" Greed has become the demise of not only our industry, but this country. Don't join in. We've all seen the repercussions. There are enough deliveries planned at LUV over the next 3 1/2 years that everyone should feel the LUV. What is it that you guys want from your management that you aren't already getting?
 
On Your Six said:
Funny stuff Larry David. You need to curb your enthusiasm some more. There will be some of us laughing though when this is all over. Good luck and Godspeed.



OYS
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If you keep your room clean and do your c*************************(really? this board edits the word c-h-o-r-e-s?), maybe Mom won't take your computer privileges away again.....
 
On Your Six said:
Funny stuff Larry David. You need to curb your enthusiasm some more. There will be some of us laughing though when this is all over. Good luck and Godspeed.



OYS
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Now that is some funny stuff! LOL! That guy really is a tool.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
JT12345 said:
Contracts don't matter to arbitrators with SLI. Put the pipe down, and read the law.

If I were u guys I would be more worried about a paycut the next 5 years then the SLI.
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OK...... you've called me out! LOL!

If you could humor me a couple answers? Please?

Do you REALLY think that contract$, $trength of company, and career expectaion$ don't matter to an arbitrator?

If you don't, why, and please give me some data to convince me. That data should include examples of two companies as different as AAI/WN.

If you were "us" guys? You'd be worried about paycuts in the next 5 years? Please provide data to convince us of your stance. If the answer is "just because" you'll have to try harder.

Good luck with your answers.

Gup
 
JT12345 said:
Contracts don't matter to arbitrators with SLI. Put the pipe down, and read the law.
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Are you serious? Really? No wonder you don't want to talk about SLI out on the line.

Do you really think an arbitor would completely disregard career expectations at both companies? I sounds like you might need to do a little more research about the law. Check the Air Midwest decision for one.

Gen/OYS,

I think you will be surprised how well this SLI will go. Just sit back and let it all unfold. No worries here.

RF
 
redflyer65 said:
Are you serious? Really? No wonder you don't want to talk about SLI out on the line.

Do you really think an arbitor would completely disregard career expectations at both companies? I sounds like you might need to do a little more research about the law. Check the Air Midwest decision for one.

Gen/OYS,

I think you will be surprised how well this SLI will go. Just sit back and let it all unfold. No worries here.

RF
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You do realize Midwest was bankrupt, and had returned all of their planes to the creditors, right?

We're all just along for the ride at this point, but if you guys are hanging your hat on arbitration, and think that Midex and Shuttle America (another bankrupt carrier) have any bearing on this merger, I think you guys will be shocked.
 
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redflyer65 said:
The culture won't be comprimised what so ever. Bank on it.
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Well RF, I sure hope you are right. But I believe that these forums and the way the SWA crews (20-30%) are acting towards AAI crews will and could destroy the culture. Remember the AAI guys are used to no culture and are "war hardened" by a piss poor mgmt team over there for the past 10 years, especially during contract negs. The only people to lose are the SWA folks, AAI already knows no difference.

My other question to everybody that makes this site so stupid is this: Airtran is bringing there own toys to the game, so they are not taking anybodies upgrade or future careers from them, actually if you read the news, AAI gave there "slots" for 5 73's to SWA this year and AAI is completely stagnate, much like SWA has been for the last 2+ years.

Grow up, this was done by two profitable companies for the long to growth of one "future" world class airlline, there is nothing the pilots can do on this forumn or anywhere else to make this change, we can either play nice and watch the airline grow and earn $ or we can fight like 2 year olds and watch the combined company collapse and struggle with labor like the USAir/AM west disaster.

Think about it!
 
Ty Webb said:
You do realize Midwest was bankrupt, and had returned all of their planes to the creditors, right?

An arbitrator will see SWA and AAI as two narrowbody, mostly domestic carriers. AAI in 2011 is SWA in 1989. There is more growth and upside at AAI than at a mature and stagnant SWA, but SWA is more financially sound. Arbitrators aren't going to care about this contract's rate of pay; those things expire and change. When they talk about "career expectations" they are talking seat and equipment.

If you think arbitration would give you anything better than a mediated agreement will, you're kidding yourselves.

We're all just along for the ride at this point, but if you guys are hanging your hat on arbitration, and think that Midex and Shuttle America (another bankrupt carrier) have any bearing on this merger, I think you guys will be shocked.
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You need to re-read my post. I didn't say Midwest.

The contractual differences between AAI and SW are huge. Career expecations are completely different. It will all be factored in if it goes to arbitration. In the end, this is Gary's legacy, he won't ruin Southwest over it. If you think otherwise, you're dreaming.
 
For guys who like to talk about how great the punch is, some of you sure seem eager to float a chalupa in it.

Me, I prefer to put a little rum in it.
 
Ty,

I know you know but............ just protecting the house. I've got his back.

I'll have your back too when this is all said and done.

Gup
 
Hey, I'm looking forward to this crap being over, too! It'll be whatever it'll be.

Besides, how would you like to have Milton as your avatar? :laugh:
 
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