Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[TurboJetCpt]

NJACrewservicer, the more I read your post the more disgust I feel that you are actually doing ANY coordinating for this pilot group. Your FATIGUE accusation and TOYS reference is the most "telling." If you really believe that our objectives are so trivial then I would DEFINITELY start looking for another job 'cause it ain't gettin' better anytime soon. If you have a problem with a pilot calling in fatigued BECAUSE HE IS FATIGUED, please find another job. The biggest mistake you could ever make is to challenge one of us "tired" pilots. Just take the message and pass it on, we don't give a rat's ass what you THINK ! We will continue to follow the FAR's and make those decisions that permit us to fly these airplanes properly and most importantly, safely.

A strike is IMMINENT and PROBABLE in my estimation and you need to start proactively looking for another line of work. "Ordering crew food" just doesn't seem to be a long-term, viable, "professional" future for you. Your post had NOTHING to do with supporting us, it was all about YOU.

Now, let me re-iterate, we don't WANT a strike but it may be necessary. We don't WANT you on unemployment, but you should be looking for other work just in case. We don't WANT Netjets to go out of business but that is THEIR DECISION, not ours. Stop blaming those folks on the front lines and start looking UP your chain of command. WE are not the problem.

 

[cosmotheassman]

Would someone please fill in the blanks on what your group is actually asking for on a monthly basis?

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[Sun Tzu]

Assman, you can't be serious!!!

 

[netjetwife]

TOYS??!! I personally know a NJ pilot's family that was feeding their 2 kids with WIC--govt assistance--last year before he got bypass pay. If not for the solidarity of the union, the state would still be feeding his kids. As it is, 18% of the pilot force qualifies for govt assistance. The vast majority of the rest of us are just covering the basics--like your family.

My husband comes home exhausted from his 70-plus hour work week on the road. If he calls in fatigued during his tour, it is so that he can recoup the energy needed to continue the grueling pace safely and professionally.

If the rest of the NJ employees would realize that our families are just like yours, and understand that the pilots WANT to make this a career job, you'd be able to look at the situation with more objectivity and less company-induced fear and blame.

 

[Grizz]

TOYS??!!

Yeah,

The first TOY we're going to get is a new roof on our house. We're getting water damage in a couple of spots that we've had repaired a few times but hey - what the heck. It's only water damage.

The second TOY we're going to get is a replacement for the 1989 Mazda pick-up that my wife drives around. We bought it new in 89 right after I made Captain in the AF. It's burning a bit of oil now and one of the doors has rust eating through but other than that it's cherry.

We're big toy buyers. Right...

NJACrewservicer - shut your pie hole until you know what you're talking about. Your post was insulting and totally uncalled for.

 

[Live4flyng]

Let me also say that I am with you guys. I agree that you could probably be paid a little more. I think that you are going about it the wrong way. DNIF's, fatigue calls "just to make a point" to the company is not the way to get things done.

Like I told dispatcher, there is nothing but contempt for the pilot group. Management has instilled this in their fearful and impressionable minds.


You should be scared sh!tless NJAcrewservicer. No one in their right mind would hire you in aviation with your position on safety. In case you weren't aware, being fatigued is similar or worse than being intoxicated. You should be thankful that some crews are able to recognize fatigue or as others have pointed out, a smoking hole is an alternative. How much Sh!t could your panties hold then?

 

[DO-82 driver]

The rest of the NetJets employees are going to realize real soon that they ARE INDEED involved in this. The Company is trying to scare the living heck out of them...BTW...why did the Company pull their version of the recent conttract talks from the Crew OPs Web site????? Maybe they realized that their lies were to grand.

If the non-union employees think that they are safe just because they are non-union they are in for a rude awakening. There were many non-union employees at Eastern that were effected by the strike. I remember walking the line on March 10, 1989 in PHL.

There's no reason the folks in the Casino should be thinking they are safe.....despite what BB told them....they have as much to lose as we do.
I'm ready to go all the way.....no one, except my Union Brothers and Sisters is going to be looking out for my best interrest. I'm not going to fall on my sword for anyone in CMH.

 

[El Chupacabra]

OOPS... here I was thinking the this last offer was a bad deal....

I forgot to add in the value of all the EXTRA HILTON POINTS we'll be getting because of the extra 37 work days we'll be spending in Hotels instead of home!

The company forgot to make me pay for that out of my paycheck!

 

[gunfyter]

Dude,

Do NOT forget to add in the Extra Avtrip Points and Atlantic bucks you will be earning while working 37 more days per year. This could be a big windfall for you.... Or did the company already count that in the 6 figure salary like they did your perdiem and Health insurance?

 

[semperfido]

i was offended by crewservice guys comments and i don't work for a frac. you should have compensation that is on par with nbaa. however once that happens your company will be less competitive. especially with all the overhead in your operation (like crewserviceguy), ergo -he is no dummy and sees what the consequences would be.

 

[Live4flyng]

i was offended by crewservice guys comments and i don't work for a frac. you should have compensation that is on par with nbaa. however once that happens your company will be less competitive. especially with all the overhead in your operation (like crewserviceguy), ergo -he is no dummy and sees what the consequences would be.

Less competitive with 70% market share? How do you figure? Accelerated growth and earnings, that is a shareholders dream. Excuse me while I go shop for my new "Toys", I can't afford a house.

 

[netjetwife]

Semperfido, yes there would be consequences. They'd have to stop playing their shell game with the profits, perhaps. The NJA pilots could stop subsidizing other NJ Inc. pilots in the start up companies like NJE. Yes, growth might be slowed to a RESPONSIBILE rate instead of financed at the sacrifice of NJA pilots' hard-earned wages. I would also expect to see NJ Inc. stop collecting outrageous sums for oil and $300 ramp fees (they don't pay elsewhere) from NJA.

 

[semperfido]

Less competitive with 70% market share? How do you figure? Accelerated growth and earnings, that is a shareholders dream. Excuse me while I go shop for my new "Toys", I can't afford a house.

what will happen to your market when you can no longer do a traditional flight depts role cheaper? some customers may ask themselves that same question. you have a lot of overhead to compensate for.

 

[FAcFriend]

NJW

NJA does pay ramp fees elsewhere-

Please explain -

 

[Fozzy]

i was offended by crewservice guys comments and i don't work for a frac. you should have compensation that is on par with nbaa. however once that happens your company will be less competitive. especially with all the overhead in your operation (like crewserviceguy), ergo -he is no dummy and sees what the consequences would be.

Fido, for that statement, your stock in my eyes just went up. Thank you.

"what will happen to your market when you can no longer do a traditional flight depts role cheaper? some customers may ask themselves that same question. you have a lot of overhead to compensate for."

I don't think we are cheaper. But with the way things are going now (not enough planes or pilots) raising rates might allow this company to catch up.